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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1100 on: February 05, 2023, 09:11:51 AM »
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"From the moment in early April when Russian forces on the perimeter of Kiev began to withdraw to new positions in eastern Ukraine, western war propagandists have been trumpeting what they characterized as Russia’s “humiliating defeat”. As one who recognized as early as February 28th that the Russian army was executing a strategic feint in and around the Ukrainian capital, I could only shake my head and laugh at the cluelessness of most of the so-called “experts” who have attempted to sell this interpretation of events to hopelessly ignorant western audiences."

Seems clear to me the Russians fully intended to take Kiev. 

To me, this author writes as if in the employ of the Russians, pretending Russian blunders to have been brilliance, ignoring the trigger of the little green men in Donbass, the taking of Crimea, etc.

That said, the analysis is of interest.

I very much note the map at the end of the article!  If I read it correctly it shows Russia has having conquered Odesa and Transnitia, Moldava! In other words, Ukraine, in addition to losing huge (50+%?) of its territory also becomes landlocked, with shipping its grain out the Black Sea a lost option One might reasonably infer from this article this was the Russian mission from the beginning , , , in which case it could be argued the moves of the Western Alliance rather reasonable?


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« Reply #1101 on: February 05, 2023, 09:25:55 AM »
We have all forgotten about Russian nucl. might. Does anyone think, that if Russia drops even a small nuke on Kiev, the West is going to bomb Russia ?. If Biden took days to even shoot down a balloon, what confidence does it give Europe or Ukr, that the US is going to nuke Russia. France has already said, it wont participate in this.

The Ukr, war was an attempt to degrade Russian military capability, some neocon told the US govt that Russia would collapse...did not happen and very unlikely to happen. China is the biggest manufacturer in the world, they can keep up with anything the west can manufacture.

https://youtu.be/iAd6Q69CFxY
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Ukraine is lost, what next?- A must read!
« Reply #1102 on: February 05, 2023, 11:45:48 AM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1103 on: February 05, 2023, 05:51:54 PM »
April/May is a key period. There are videos circulating where the Uki's are pulling in middleage men as well as 16-17 year old to join the army. This suggests, there is not much "meat" left to put on the battlefield. Unless the US or EU is willing to put boots on the ground, things will move Russia's way. Russia is in no hurry to achieve their long term goals. Russia may not have the most modern weapons, but in general their weapons are hardy and cheap to produce.

Once Bakhmut falls, the momentum will shift to Russia, that would be an important turning point in the war.


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1105 on: February 06, 2023, 06:20:35 AM »
Regarding this:

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=29268

"Douglas Macgregor likes to remind people that the Roosevelt administration did everything it could to bait the Japanese into launching an attack on American assets. They needed a reason to get into the war and that was viewed as the best avenue."

What hoary bullshit, as are some of the other things Macgregor says.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1106 on: February 06, 2023, 06:26:14 AM »
Regarding this:

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=29268

"Douglas Macgregor likes to remind people that the Roosevelt administration did everything it could to bait the Japanese into launching an attack on American assets. They needed a reason to get into the war and that was viewed as the best avenue."

What hoary bullshit, as are some of the other things Macgregor says.

https://www.fff.org/2016/12/07/fdrs-pearl-harbor-bait/

https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=1930

https://mises.org/library/how-us-economic-warfare-provoked-japans-attack-pearl-harbor

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1107 on: February 06, 2023, 07:09:49 AM »
I've been down this rabbit hole before and have not the time or interest in doing it again.

Japanese imperialism (e.g. invading China) had quite a bit to do with American actions, as did it being in axis with the Nazis.

Moving on and returning to the point at hand:  Ukraine:

I love Tucker, and he makes strong points regarding how we have provoked Russia, but he, and even more so Macgregor, seem to have some major blind spots with regard to Russian intentions and the risks of pulling the plug on the Ukes now.   


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1108 on: February 06, 2023, 07:50:38 AM »
I've been down this rabbit hole before and have not the time or interest in doing it again.

Japanese imperialism (e.g. invading China) had quite a bit to do with American actions, as did it being in axis with the Nazis.

Moving on and returning to the point at hand:  Ukraine:

I love Tucker, and he makes strong points regarding how we have provoked Russia, but he, and even more so Macgregor, seem to have some major blind spots with regard to Russian intentions and the risks of pulling the plug on the Ukes now.

Oh? Will China feel free to send spy balloons over America and ship deadly drugs by the ton to be sold by Mexican cartels if we stop funding the eastern european money laundering base for the Biden Crime Family?


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1109 on: February 06, 2023, 08:40:33 AM »
Not following how that flows from the preceding posts.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1110 on: February 08, 2023, 04:32:25 AM »
Bakhmut about ready to fall. The supply lines are being shut off.


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George Friedman: Ukraine heading to another showdown , , , and WW3?
« Reply #1111 on: February 08, 2023, 07:01:04 AM »
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Ukraine Heading to Another Showdown
By: George Friedman
I should say up front that I am not writing about Chinese balloons. Instead, I am writing about the situation in Ukraine, which is getting increasingly dangerous.

Until relatively recently, Russian assaults on Ukraine tended to be contained by the Ukrainian armed force – not universally but frequently enough to prevent Russia from keeping territory or achieving victory. But in the past month or so, Russia has begun to hold its ground. If that becomes the norm, then Ukraine is in serious trouble.

The United States has kept the front intact by introducing new weapons. The current weakness of the Ukrainian army is due to a lack of longer-range rockets that could strike the Russian rear, hitting reinforcements and supplies moving to the front. Without these elements, Russia can’t maintain its position.

The problem is that the range of the new munitions is so great that they can reach Russian territory. The U.S. has made it clear it has no intention of striking Russian soil. In fact, Washington has ordered Ukraine not to use the munitions at their fullest range, and there are rumors that the Americans modified the missiles to ensure they don’t. But Ukraine is fighting an existential war, and its willingness to use anything less than full power is inevitably questionable.

So far, Russia has not been struck, nor has Poland, where supplies and U.S. troops are based. The tacit agreement not to hit either has prevented the war from becoming a direct conflict between the U.S. and Russia. If either side deliberately attacked Russia or Poland, all bets would be off.

With the delivery of new missiles, a new danger thus emerges, not least of which is that Russia could choose to bring the war to even greater heights by forcing escalation. In which case nothing can be ruled out – not even Russian false flag operations. This isn’t merely an analysis of paranoia. Moscow has characterized the conflict as a long war against the West, and if that is indeed how it sees things, then forcing escalation at a time and place of its choosing might be rational. Doing so would demonize the U.S. military and give Russia a freer hand in attacking, say, U.S. positions in Poland. The U.S. has been waging a proxy war without experiencing losses. The fact that body bags are not arriving at Dover Air Force Base has given Washington a great deal of room for maneuver. If the U.S. started taking casualties, and the Russians could demonstrate that the war was based on a first strike by the Americans, the ability of the U.S. to wage war might be limited.

Far-fetched as that may seem, the central issue right now is stabilizing Ukraine’s position by attacking Russian assets in theater without spilling over into Russian territory. If that can be done in absolute terms, it would be hard for Russia to overcome, and it would keep the U.S. out of direct combat by avoiding U.S. domestic political considerations, which have destabilized the U.S. military in a number of wars. But the execution must be flawless, and Russia would have to decline to essentially attack itself.

All wars are complex, and all wars have political dimensions. The U.S. is going to supply long-range rockets, which makes perfect sense in the cold logic of war. But in the event of some failures in controlling the weapons, it could create the unexpected, which is never welcomed in war.

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Senator Cotton: The current why of Ukraine
« Reply #1112 on: February 08, 2023, 07:11:07 AM »
The American Case for Supporting Ukraine
The U.S. can back its allies and send a message to the Chinese, without sparking a wider war in Europe.
By Tom Cotton
Feb. 7, 2023 1:43 pm ET

After years of observing Russian leaders up close during World War II, Winston Churchill remarked that “there is nothing they admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than for weakness, especially military weakness.” Churchill therefore warned against “offering temptations to a trial of strength.”

Unfortunately, that’s exactly what President Biden did in his first year in office, tempting Vladimir Putin to pursue his long-standing ambition to reassemble the Russian Empire by conquering Ukraine. Having failed to deter the war, Mr. Biden’s timid approach has now prolonged it.

Thanks to his failures, some Americans wonder whether we should continue to support Ukraine. But cutting off Ukraine wouldn’t end the war. It would only increase the chances of a Russian victory and harm our interests in deterring wider wars in Europe and Asia.

Mr. Biden appeased Russia from the start, from a no-conditions extension of a one-sided nuclear-arms treaty, to the waiving of sanctions on Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline, to freezing an arms shipment to Ukraine. Then came the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. This humiliating failure telegraphed weakness and incompetence, and Russia soon massed an invasion force along Ukraine’s border.

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Mr. Biden responded by hinting at disunity in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and suggesting he might tolerate a “minor incursion” by Russia into Ukraine. Convinced of his strength and his enemies’ weakness, Mr. Putin went for the jugular.

The Ukrainians stood their ground and fought. Yet Mr. Biden has dragged his feet all along, hesitating fearfully to send the Ukrainians the weapons and intelligence they need to win. Today, Mr. Biden stubbornly refuses to provide fighter jets, cluster munitions and long-range missiles to Ukraine. As a result of Mr. Biden’s half-measures, Ukraine has only half-succeeded.

We should back Ukraine to the hilt, because the likeliest alternative isn’t peace, but rather another “frozen conflict” that favors Russia and harms our interests. Russia would retain key strategic terrain and much of Ukraine’s industry and agriculture. Food and energy prices would remain high, potentially starving many nations and exacerbating the migrant crisis in the West.

Meanwhile, Russia could rebuild its strength and seize the rest of Ukraine when the opportunity arises. Such an outcome would create millions more Ukrainian refugees, drive inflation higher and worsen supply-chain disruptions. Russia would also extend its border deep into Europe. Next on the chopping block could be Moldova, site of another frozen conflict. And after that, a NATO nation.

Stopping Russia also will allow the U.S. to focus on the greater threat from China. A Russian victory would force us to divert more resources for a longer time to Europe to deter Russian expansionism, creating persistent threats on both fronts. But a Ukrainian victory and a durable peace will secure our European flank as we confront China.

The Chinese dictator, Xi Jinping, is closely watching the war in Ukraine. If the West falters, he will conclude that we will never fight to protect Taiwan. In the 1930s, the West tempted the Axis powers by appeasing naked aggression against small countries like Ethiopia and Czechoslovakia. Some Western politicians may have forgotten the lessons of history, but Mr. Xi hasn’t.

Our support for Ukraine can also save American money and lives in the long run. A sizable portion of our outlays will be spent on replacing the older weapons and materiel we’ve sent to Ukraine with newer equipment for our troops. Along with lessons learned from the Ukrainian battlefield, our military can emerge better equipped, trained and prepared to defeat our adversaries.

War is always expensive, but we must measure the current costs against the greater potential cost of wider war in Europe or Asia. The Ukrainians are fighting their own war, with no American troops engaged in direct combat—which won’t be the case if irresolution in Ukraine tempts our enemies to attack a NATO ally or Taiwan. Had the West retaliated when Germany remilitarized the Rhineland in 1936, that small operation might’ve seemed expensive and risky at the time, but it likely would’ve prevented world war.

History also shows that we can oppose Russian aggression without sparking a wider war. We fought proxy wars against Soviet Russia across the world in the last century. We armed insurgents during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Russians not only armed our enemies in Korea and Vietnam, but also took part in the fighting, shooting down American pilots. These proxy wars were more provocative than anything we’ve done to support Ukraine. In no case did they lead to war between our two countries.

Of course, we must also demand that our allies do their fair share. Hardy nations like the United Kingdom, Poland, and the Baltic states have carried their share of the load, but wealthy laggards such as France and especially Germany must do more. As ever, though, we can’t allow European weakness to constrain American action.

The Ukrainian people are fighting with spirit and resolve, exercising what Churchill called “the primary right of men to die and kill for the land they live in.” Their cause is sympathetic, but the world is a dangerous place and America shouldn’t act out of sympathy alone. We act to protect our vital national interests. That’s the case in Ukraine, and we deserve a strategy of victory to match.

Mr. Cotton, a Republican, is a U.S. senator from Arkansas.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1113 on: February 08, 2023, 06:15:41 PM »
Seymour Hersch says the US took down Nordstream pipeline. Looks like he had to publish on substack, perhaps no mainstream publication would accept it ?

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1114 on: February 08, 2023, 06:55:38 PM »
Tucker ran with the Hersch story tonight.  Gave it 100% credence.

BTW Tucker stated this sabotage was the largest environmental catastrophe in history-- I presume he meant all the nat gas that escaped.  Has anyone made a serious effort to calculate how much gas escaped?

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« Reply #1115 on: February 09, 2023, 07:26:15 AM »
"Has anyone made a serious effort to calculate how much gas escaped?"

  - My understanding was, one pipeline down for maintenance, one not yet in service.  Hersch reporting said 3 out of 4 we're blown up?  Either way, I don't think that means zero escaped

Lying Russian reporting makes it for sure the largest human caused environmental catratrophe in history.:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-says-800-million-cubic-metres-gas-escaped-pipelines-tass-2022-09-30/

Uncombusted methane is a particularly bad greenhouse gas.

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« Reply #1116 on: February 09, 2023, 08:04:36 AM »
The footage of the methane bubbling out of the water sure looked seriously massive.

One would think Greens would be all up in arms about this , , ,

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« Reply #1117 on: February 09, 2023, 08:09:50 AM »
The footage of the methane bubbling out of the water sure looked seriously massive.

One would think Greens would be all up in arms about this , , ,

Global warming killed off all the anti-war activists, perhaps the environmentalists died off as well?


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« Reply #1119 on: February 09, 2023, 09:04:22 AM »
"Has anyone made a serious effort to calculate how much gas escaped?"

  - Reportedly, Nordstream 1 was down for maintenance and Nordstream 2 was not in service yet. Each had two pipelines. Hersh reporting said 3 out of 4 were blown up.   I don't believe that means zero gas escaped.

(Lying) Russian reporting makes it the largest human caused environmental catratrophe in history:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-says-800-million-cubic-metres-gas-escaped-pipelines-tass-2022-09-30/

Uncombusted methane is a particularly bad greenhouse gas.  Methane has 80 times more warming effect than carbon dioxide. 
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/methane-emissions-are-driving-climate-change-heres-how-reduce-them#:~:text=Methane%20is%20also%20a%20powerful,keeping%20began%20in%20the%201980s.

If this involved any millions of cubic meters of natural gas, it is quite a stain on Biden's career, just in that sense.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1120 on: February 09, 2023, 03:47:49 PM »
A good friend with strong background reminds me that Hersch has made some pretty outlandish claims in the past and to keep my powder dry before giving him full credibility here.

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« Reply #1121 on: February 09, 2023, 04:59:00 PM »
A good friend with strong background reminds me that Hersch has made some pretty outlandish claims in the past and to keep my powder dry before giving him full credibility here.

Glad to hear this warning.  The story seems way too detailed to be fabricated.  Why would an 85 year old Pulitzer prize winner risk everything for false attention?

I believe the whole story but have no verification except for his word about sources.

OTOH, I believed Sydney Powell over Dominion. Would have bet the farm on that one. They sued her and she vanished. Who knew.   

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« Reply #1122 on: February 09, 2023, 05:05:40 PM »
His exact words:

"This is the same guy who claimed 16 AC-130s serviced a single target in AFG. Treat it as bullshit for now.  It may not be, but there are plenty of problems with the narrative here."


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Lev Parnas peddles twaddle
« Reply #1124 on: February 14, 2023, 05:57:22 AM »

How My Work For Trump and Giuliani Sought to Make Ukraine Defenseless
BY LEV PARNAS FEBRUARY 13, 2023 2:36 PM EST

Parnas is a Florida businessman and former associate of Rudy Giuliani serving a sentence for fraud and campaign finance violations
The other day I watched some street interviews in Moscow. The first person said that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukrainian government officials were Nazis. The second said that the invasion was necessary because Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky is a Jew and, as such, is stealing everything. Later, I watched Donald Trump give a campaign speech praising Russian President Vladimir Putin and calling the U.S. intelligence community “lowlifes.” Meanwhile, the people of Ukraine are dying by the tens of thousands.

If that makes you feel bad, you may be able to imagine how I feel: I was used by Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in ways that helped pave the way for Putin to invade Ukraine, my native land. If Trump and Giuliani’s plans had worked, the Ukrainians might not have had the necessary weapons, medical equipment, and other supplies they needed to fight back.

In 2021 and 2022, I was convicted of several serious crimes including fraud, making false statements, and illegally funneling foreign money to the Trump campaign. I was sentenced to 20 months in prison, served four, and am on home confinement for the remainder. Now that I am paying my debt to society, I think it is important to tell my side of the story.

My connection to Trump came through Giuliani, with whom I had done business, and through the large campaign donations I had made to Trump’s campaign. Giuliani, who desperately wanted to be Secretary of State, recruited me to help him further Trump’s interests overseas. I had no official position, but my primary task was to be their go-between with Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs and government officials. In retrospect, I concluded that my real job was to help undermine and destabilize the Ukrainian government.

U.S. President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has coffee with Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, U.S., on Sept. 20, 2019. Aram Roston—Reuters

Trump and Giuliani argued that Ukraine’s leaders were corrupt and anti-American, but I believe there were other reasons Trump had it in for them. He viewed them as political enemies who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, hurting his feelings and engaging his unquenchable thirst for revenge. Trump also hated the Ukrainian government because Putin did. Some have said that Putin has compromising information on Trump, regarding money laundering or prostitutes, but those theories are promoted by people who did not know Trump well. I never saw evidence of that kind. Rather, I think the Russian leader had a lot in common with Trump’s father, Fred. Both men were authoritarian leaders who valued ruthlessness and considered it the only way to succeed. I first met Fred when I was selling condos in Brooklyn as a kid and he and Putin struck me the same way. Both men had immense effects on Donald Trump.

Trump acted on his hatred of Ukraine as he tried to improve his re-election chances in 2020. The plan that Giuliani and Trump put into operation was simple. Giuliani sent me to collect compromising information that the Eastern European oligarchs had on Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine to use against Joe Biden. It was also my job to convince the new Ukrainian government to announce an official investigation into Hunter Biden. If they didn’t, the U.S. would not send Trump or Vice President Mike Pence to Zelensky’s inauguration, threatening Zelensky’s domestic stature and his ability to stand up to Putin. Trump also paused much needed military aid for Ukraine while he tried to get Zelensky to open the Biden investigation.

Trump didn’t care if this made Ukraine vulnerable to Russia, which had annexed Crimea from the country in 2014. At about the same time, Trump casually asked me: “How long do you think Ukraine could hold out against a Russian invasion?” I responded: “Not long, without our help.” I eventually realized that not only was I enabling Trump’s dirty tricks in the 2020 election, I was also risking that Ukraine would be essentially unarmed when Putin invaded. Trump was determining the future of two countries and affecting the lives of millions. And who was I? Just another guy who’d made some money from the Soviet Union’s collapse, just some guy from the streets of Brooklyn who hadn’t even finished college.

Trump weakened Zelensky, but fortunately, Biden won the 2020 election and Ukraine received a steady supply of weapons. Since my arrest, I have done my best to help the people of Ukraine with charitable works, but Giuliani is still peddling his version of events and even now Republican politicians are campaigning to stop the pipeline of weapons and medical supplies. They are just trying to please Trump, exactly as Giuliani does. And whether they realize it or not, they are making it easier for Putin and his gang to steal everything they can from Ukraine.

For more on Rudy Giuliani, watch When Truth Isn’t Truth: The Rudy Giuliani Story, a new four-part series from TIME Studios that explores the former prosecutor’s rise to power, his fall from grace, and how little he changed in between. The series airs at 10pm ET Sun. Feb. 19 on MSNBC and streaming on Peacock TV.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1125 on: February 14, 2023, 06:51:08 AM »
interesting take on Trump Ukraine
and the Giuliani connection

"For more on Rudy Giuliani, watch When Truth Isn’t Truth: The Rudy Giuliani Story, a new four-part series from TIME Studios that explores the former prosecutor’s rise to power, his fall from grace, and how little he changed in between. The series airs at 10pm ET Sun. Feb. 19 on MSNBC and streaming on Peacock TV."

of course if it is from TIME about any Republican it is a total "hit " piece
occasionally when I happen to be in the car during Giuliani's radio hour, I tune in.
I like his show .   

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Re: Lev Parnas peddles twaddle
« Reply #1126 on: February 14, 2023, 07:26:10 AM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/02/_since_when_did_ukrainians_become_entitled_to_a_giant_state_.html


How My Work For Trump and Giuliani Sought to Make Ukraine Defenseless
BY LEV PARNAS FEBRUARY 13, 2023 2:36 PM EST

Parnas is a Florida businessman and former associate of Rudy Giuliani serving a sentence for fraud and campaign finance violations
The other day I watched some street interviews in Moscow. The first person said that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukrainian government officials were Nazis. The second said that the invasion was necessary because Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky is a Jew and, as such, is stealing everything. Later, I watched Donald Trump give a campaign speech praising Russian President Vladimir Putin and calling the U.S. intelligence community “lowlifes.” Meanwhile, the people of Ukraine are dying by the tens of thousands.

If that makes you feel bad, you may be able to imagine how I feel: I was used by Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in ways that helped pave the way for Putin to invade Ukraine, my native land. If Trump and Giuliani’s plans had worked, the Ukrainians might not have had the necessary weapons, medical equipment, and other supplies they needed to fight back.

In 2021 and 2022, I was convicted of several serious crimes including fraud, making false statements, and illegally funneling foreign money to the Trump campaign. I was sentenced to 20 months in prison, served four, and am on home confinement for the remainder. Now that I am paying my debt to society, I think it is important to tell my side of the story.

My connection to Trump came through Giuliani, with whom I had done business, and through the large campaign donations I had made to Trump’s campaign. Giuliani, who desperately wanted to be Secretary of State, recruited me to help him further Trump’s interests overseas. I had no official position, but my primary task was to be their go-between with Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs and government officials. In retrospect, I concluded that my real job was to help undermine and destabilize the Ukrainian government.

U.S. President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has coffee with Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, U.S., on Sept. 20, 2019. Aram Roston—Reuters

Trump and Giuliani argued that Ukraine’s leaders were corrupt and anti-American, but I believe there were other reasons Trump had it in for them. He viewed them as political enemies who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, hurting his feelings and engaging his unquenchable thirst for revenge. Trump also hated the Ukrainian government because Putin did. Some have said that Putin has compromising information on Trump, regarding money laundering or prostitutes, but those theories are promoted by people who did not know Trump well. I never saw evidence of that kind. Rather, I think the Russian leader had a lot in common with Trump’s father, Fred. Both men were authoritarian leaders who valued ruthlessness and considered it the only way to succeed. I first met Fred when I was selling condos in Brooklyn as a kid and he and Putin struck me the same way. Both men had immense effects on Donald Trump.

Trump acted on his hatred of Ukraine as he tried to improve his re-election chances in 2020. The plan that Giuliani and Trump put into operation was simple. Giuliani sent me to collect compromising information that the Eastern European oligarchs had on Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine to use against Joe Biden. It was also my job to convince the new Ukrainian government to announce an official investigation into Hunter Biden. If they didn’t, the U.S. would not send Trump or Vice President Mike Pence to Zelensky’s inauguration, threatening Zelensky’s domestic stature and his ability to stand up to Putin. Trump also paused much needed military aid for Ukraine while he tried to get Zelensky to open the Biden investigation.

Trump didn’t care if this made Ukraine vulnerable to Russia, which had annexed Crimea from the country in 2014. At about the same time, Trump casually asked me: “How long do you think Ukraine could hold out against a Russian invasion?” I responded: “Not long, without our help.” I eventually realized that not only was I enabling Trump’s dirty tricks in the 2020 election, I was also risking that Ukraine would be essentially unarmed when Putin invaded. Trump was determining the future of two countries and affecting the lives of millions. And who was I? Just another guy who’d made some money from the Soviet Union’s collapse, just some guy from the streets of Brooklyn who hadn’t even finished college.

Trump weakened Zelensky, but fortunately, Biden won the 2020 election and Ukraine received a steady supply of weapons. Since my arrest, I have done my best to help the people of Ukraine with charitable works, but Giuliani is still peddling his version of events and even now Republican politicians are campaigning to stop the pipeline of weapons and medical supplies. They are just trying to please Trump, exactly as Giuliani does. And whether they realize it or not, they are making it easier for Putin and his gang to steal everything they can from Ukraine.

For more on Rudy Giuliani, watch When Truth Isn’t Truth: The Rudy Giuliani Story, a new four-part series from TIME Studios that explores the former prosecutor’s rise to power, his fall from grace, and how little he changed in between. The series airs at 10pm ET Sun. Feb. 19 on MSNBC and streaming on Peacock TV.

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Two things not to like about Biden-- his face
« Reply #1127 on: February 14, 2023, 07:33:07 AM »
Given the level of our merry band here I did not think it necessary to write a refutation.

Returning to more substantive matters:

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Biden’s Two-Faced Promises to Ukraine

Happy Valentine’s Day. On the menu today: Last week, President Biden pledged to the Ukrainian ambassador to the U.S. that, “America is united in our support for your country. We will stand with you as long as it takes.” This morning, a new report reveals that the administration’s message to the Ukrainians behind closed doors is the opposite: Future aid packages may well be considerably smaller than originally promised, and the U.S. can’t send assistance “forever.” This continues Biden’s pattern of saying whatever sounds best in public and basking in the subsequent applause, and then ignoring the hard realities until later. With a president who cannot or will not accurately describe his own administration’s policies, it is not the least bit surprising that his team is keeping him far away from any questions about the unidentified flying objects shot down over North America. The country and the world have gotten used to the idea that the president doesn’t really speak for his administration, and what he says at any given moment may or may not align with what the U.S. government’s position actually is.

Biden to Ukraine: ‘As Long as It Takes’ Has an Expiration Date

President Biden said in his State of the Union Address one week ago, speaking to Oksana Markarova, the Ukrainian ambassador to the U.S.: “Ambassador, America is united in our support for your country. We will stand with you as long as it takes.”

This morning, the Washington Post reports that the Biden administration is telling the Ukrainian government exactly the opposite behind closed doors:

Despite promises to back Ukraine “as long as it takes,” Biden officials say recent aid packages from Congress and America’s allies represent Kyiv’s best chance to decisively change the course of the war. Many conservatives in the Republican-led House have vowed to pull back support, and Europe’s long-term appetite for funding the war effort remains unclear. . . .

“We will continue to try to impress upon them that we can’t do anything and everything forever,” said one senior administration official, referring to Ukraine’s leaders. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters, added that it was the administration’s “very strong view” that it will be hard to keep getting the same level of security and economic assistance from Congress.
“’As long as it takes’ pertains to the amount of conflict,” the official added. “It doesn’t pertain to the amount of assistance.”

A week ago, with the whole world watching, the Biden pledge was “as long as it takes.” Today, much more quietly, the message is, “We can’t do anything and everything forever.”

“Definitely a shift,” observes Elbridge Colby.

The State of the Union Address was not the first time Biden used the phrase “as long as it takes” to describe the U.S. policy toward Ukraine. Biden said he told President Zelensky, when Zelensky visited Washington, that, “We’re with you for as long as it takes, Mr. President.” Biden, national-security adviser Jake Sullivan, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, and other administration officials have all repeatedly used the phrase “as long as it takes” or variations of it to characterize the U.S. policy toward Ukraine.

And now, “as long as it takes” joins “limited incursion” and “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power” as presidential statements that are not meant to be taken seriously or literally. Except this one wasn’t an off-the-cuff rhetorical flourish; this was President Biden making a promise he couldn’t keep on the biggest geopolitical stage imaginable.

As noted last week, Vladimir Putin is trying to turn the invasion of Ukraine into a long, bloody war of attrition, calculating that Ukraine will run out of soldiers, arms, and resources before Russia runs out of conscripts and convicts. How do you think Moscow will greet the news that “as long as it takes” doesn’t actually mean as long as it takes?




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Re: Lev Parnas peddles twaddle
« Reply #1128 on: February 14, 2023, 09:23:30 AM »
Apt title.  Sounds like a bitter man. Very unpersuasive. That was my reaction.

Fred Trump was just like Putin?  Authoritarian?  Good grief.

Dirty tricks?  My belief is Trump believed and was probably right that the Biden family has evidence of corruption sitting in Ukraine if anyone is able to dig it up.

This guy got arrested, convicted for his methods and wasn't able to pass blame up. 

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Re: Ukraine
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1130 on: February 15, 2023, 07:18:53 AM »
I am getting Baghdad Bob vibes

https://twitter.com/i/status/1625553682782687237

He is a living embodiment of the rot and corruption in American institutions.

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RANE: What to watch for
« Reply #1132 on: February 15, 2023, 04:12:28 PM »
What To Watch For as Russia Launches Its Next Major Offensive in Ukraine
12 MIN READFeb 15, 2023 | 22:54 GMT



While Russia's upcoming winter offensive is unlikely to gain enough ground to significantly alter the trajectory of the war, it could complicate Ukraine's offensive in the spring, the success of which will depend on Western weapons deliveries. The Institute for the Study of War, an independent U.S.-based research group, claimed on Feb. 8 that ''Russian forces [had] begun their next major offensive'' in Ukraine, citing ''the commitment of significant elements of at least three major Russian divisions to offensive operations'' around the eastern town of Kreminna in Luhansk (one of the territories that comprise the Donbas region). NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg then appeared to confirm this assessment on Feb. 13 by saying ''the reality is that we have [already] seen the start'' of a renewed Russian thrust into Ukraine.
 
High-ranking Ukrainian and Western officials have also indicated that Russia is preparing to launch a larger-scale attack, possibly in the coming days. These claims come amid reports that mobilized Russian soldiers training in Russia, Belarus and occupied Ukraine have moved closer to the front line and the Ukrainian border in recent days, along with large amounts of military equipment including aircraft. Over the past month, Russian forces have also been encircling the strategic eastern city of Bakhmut, and have increased attacks along the front. Taken together, these developments indicate that the accelerated Russian assault Ukrainian officials have warned about for months is underway — and likely only beginning.

On Feb. 12 the British defense intelligence agency assessed that over the past two weeks, Russia had likely suffered its highest rate of casualties since the first week of the Feb. 24 invasion, underscoring the unprecedentedly high intensity of Russia's recent efforts. This was supported by Mediazona and the BBC News Russian service's running tally of confirmed Russian deaths, which on Feb. 12 recorded the highest biweekly rise in deaths since the tally was last updated on Jan. 27.

Russia is attacking first to disrupt Ukraine's preparations for its own offensive, precede Western weapons deliveries, establish defensive positions farther forward to protect the Crimea land corridor, and gain ground toward a major political justification for the war (the seizure of the Donbas). But Moscow is unlikely to fully accomplish these objectives. In recent weeks, Russia has resumed probing attacks in not only Kreminna but farther south in Vuhledar and numerous other disparate places along the front. This is likely an attempt to test Ukrainian formations in several places so that they cannot leave their positions or concentrate where larger Russian breakthrough attempts may be made. But there is currently little information regarding where and if  Russia is concentrating armored vehicles for a breakthrough. Russia's current attacks of various scale suggest Moscow is seeking to seize the initiative to push the frontline deeper into Ukraine. Russia believes that Ukraine is motivated to attack sooner rather than later before Russia's troops become more deeply entrenched. But Moscow would prefer to entrench its forces for the long haul only after pushing the frontline deeper into Ukraine. This is because the Crimea land corridor – Russia's only real prize from the invasion so far — is still well within the reach of the long-range strike systems Ukraine has received from its Western allies, making greater buffer space invaluable to securing the strategic viability of sustaining the corridor. No less importantly, the Kremlin will also be even more politically motivated to secure one of the most prominent remaining goals of the war — to ''liberate'' the Donbas (particularly after failing to ''demilitarize'' and ''denazify'' Ukraine, which President Vladimir Putin originally claimed was the main objective of his ''special military operation''). Finally, Russia would prefer to push its advantage before larger quantities of the new Western equipment recently promised to Ukraine (such as modern tanks) reach the front. In its efforts toward these goals, Moscow hopes to use Russia's manpower advantage to simultaneously attrit the forces Ukraine needs for its own offensive.

On Feb. 13 Andriy Chernyak, a representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, asserted Russia's looming new assault would only constitute an intensification of the attacks already underway, arguing that Russian command does not currently have enough resources to launch more large-scale offensive actions.

Putin will likely make his intentions for the future of the war clearer in an upcoming speech, in which he could prepare a new round of mobilization. Months prior to the recent uptick in fighting, Russian forces and mercenaries from the Wagner group launched a campaign to encircle the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, where on Feb. 12 they claimed to capture the nearby village of Krasna Hora. The push toward Bukhmut is likely driven by the Kremlin's desire to show that progress is still being made in Ukraine before Putin's constitutionally-mandated annual speech to Russian parliamentarians on Feb. 21 and the first anniversary of the war on Feb. 24. The speech is likely to provide the greatest insight into Putin's plans for the future of the war since his last address to lawmakers in September, in which he claimed to have annexed four regions of Ukraine (none of which Russia now fully controls). During a Feb. 2 speech in Volgograd commemorating the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad, Putin also appeared to compare today's conflict over Ukraine and World War II by alluding to war with the West, and has also returned to using nuclear threats. If Putin draws further connections to World War II in his Feb. 21 speech, it would provide insight into Kremlin's plans for mobilization and escalating the war, and suggest the Russian people should expect even greater sacrifices going forward. It would also contradict the Kremlin's current insistence that its ''special military operation'' is not a war and is going according to plan, and that Western weapons deliveries are incapable of changing the outcome of the conflict. Should Putin use the speech to prepare the Russian people for a new wave of mobilization in the coming weeks, his logic would likely be to have more Russian forces on the battlefield to oppose a Ukrainian offensive in the late spring, though there are for now few signs this scenario is likely.

Lawmakers in Russia's parliament will hold an extraordinary session on Feb. 22, where they will reportedly move forward with legislation that Putin calls for in his Feb. 21 speech. Such legislation is expected to pertain to the Ukrainian territories Moscow claims to have annexed, but speculation persists that it could pertain to future mobilization measures. There is also speculation that Putin could announce steps toward the annexation of the Georgian breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which would need approval by lawmakers.

U.S. President Joe Biden will likely respond to Putin's address during his visit to Poland Feb. 20-22, where Biden is scheduled to discuss both bilateral cooperation and collective efforts to support Ukraine and bolster NATO's deterrence.

In the coming months, Russia will focus on consolidating its territorial control of eastern Ukraine and is unlikely to attempt risky operations in other parts of the country of lower strategic value. While the invasion is not progressing as initially planned, Moscow continues to believe that Western support for Ukraine's defense will wane with time, and is increasingly preparing for a prolonged conflict that it believes it has a greater chance of winning. In addition, Russia already occupies sufficient territory — most importantly, the Crimea land corridor — for Russian elites and the general public to see the invasion as a success. Russian forces thus have little need to engage in riskier, resource-intensive actions, making it unlikely that Russia will reopen a second front (by, for example, launching an attack from Belarus). For similar reasons, a renewed Russian offensive toward Kharkiv also remains relatively unlikely, as such a thrust would not get closer to seizing the city than Russia's initial invasion did. Instead, Russia is more likely to concentrate its human and material resources on preserving its gains in the eastern Donbas region, where Russia seeks to achieve control over as much territory as it can. In the next stage of its war, one of Russia's primary goals will be to seize Slovyansk and Kramatorsk — the largest cities in the Donbas that are still under Ukrainian control. The cities are just over 40 kilometers (roughly 25 miles) away from the frontline — meaning Russia would only need to advance around 15 km (roughly 10 miles) to put them into the range of its many artillery systems, which Moscow hopes will undermine the strategic value of Ukraine's continued defense of the cities, and therefore the rest of Donbas. Bakhmut is the doorstep to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, which is also why the Wagner group's push around Bakhmut is significant. Should Bakhmut fall, Ukraine's troops will likely maintain defensive lines very close to minimize the strategic impact of the city's loss on the war.

Ukraine will conduct its own offensive later in the spring, the success of which will largely hinge on deliveries of ammunition from the West. Despite the recent announcement of increased Western military support for Ukraine, logistical constraints mean that it may take three months or more before tanks and critical ammunition reach the battlefront. In addition, Kyiv is concerned that Western military support will not be large enough, come fast enough and/or include the type of equipment needed to force Russian troops out of the Crimea land corridor — and that Ukraine will then miss its window of opportunity to retake the strategic region amid a politically fatigued West and increasingly entrenched Russia. This makes a Ukrainian offensive in the late spring imperative. Successfully beating off Russia's current offensive while minimizing losses of its own men, territory and equipment is important for Ukraine's offensive in the coming months. But by far the more important factor in determining its offensive's success will be the quantity, quality and timing of Western arms deliveries to Ukraine. Tanks and jets have been the primary subject of recent announcements and headlines, given that Ukraine seeks to launch its offensive as soon as it has the weapons to successfully do so. But even more crucial will be sufficient deliveries of ammunition, about which Ukrainian and NATO officials have increasingly sounded alarms.

Speaking at NATO headquarters on Feb. 13, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg warned that the current rate of Ukraine's ammunition expenditure is many times higher than the West's current rate of production, and even suggested artillery and other munitions manufacturers offer more shifts and keep the factories running on weekends to produce as much ammo as possible sooner rather than later. Specifically, he suggested the current production rate of 155 mm artillery ammunition is not sufficient – or on a trajectory to become so. The same is also true for high-precision and long-range systems such as HIMARS. Ukraine will likely need time to stockpile large quantities of these and other resources and move them to the front.

Ukrainian forces are estimated to be firing more than 5,000 artillery rounds every day,  roughly equal to a smaller European country's orders in an entire year in peacetime. But  Russia is currently estimated to be firing three to four times that amount each day amid its latest attacks.
The delivery of modern Western aircraft to Ukraine may only materialize in the second half of the year, but this delay will not deter Kyiv's plan for an offensive in the spring. On Feb. 8, the United Kingdom announced it would begin training Ukrainian pilots on NATO-standard aircraft. This strongly indicates that Ukraine will eventually receive modern Western jets, despite recent statements from U.S. President Joe Biden and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz rejecting the idea of providing Kyiv with such aircraft at this time. Reports also suggest that some U.S. Pentagon officials have already been advocating for the United States to directly send F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine or, at a minimum, approve their transfer by other countries. Western jets are necessary for Ukraine to independently secure its skies in the long term because procuring older Soviet and Russian aircraft for Ukraine is not a viable or effective option. But because the jets could significantly help the country defend itself from Russia's still constant missile and drone attacks, it would be strategically expedient for the West to push for their provision as soon as Ukrainian pilots are trained. British officials have indicated their training program could take between four-to-six months, possibly within the window for Ukraine's impending new offensive. But modern Western aircraft are not strictly necessary for Ukraine to conduct successful offensives against Russia in the coming months, meaning Kyiv's plan is unlikely to be derailed if it doesn't receive these new jets until after the start of its offensive. While the tanks the West is providing Ukraine will be more effective when they have air support from modern aircraft, the Ukrainian soldiers who will ultimately fly these Western jets will likely spend much of their time conducting Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) against Russia's vast array of anti-air complexes.

The latest Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting at NATO headquarters on Feb. 14 did not result in major new concrete disclosures regarding Western weapons support for Ukraine. But in his nightly address to the Ukrainian people later that evening, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky insisted that while ''not everything can [and should] be reported publicly…I can say with confidence: the basic trends remain unchanged.''

F-16s are likely the most practical aircraft for Ukraine's needs, but a specific program to train Ukrainians on how to fly the U.S.-made fighter jets has yet to be announced. Over 4,600 F-16s have been produced since 1975. Despite the U.S. Air Force ceasing purchases of the jet in 2005, F-16s are still being built, as the plane is used by over 20 other operators. European countries such as the United Kingdom are likely to eventually transfer smaller quantities of other aircraft.

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Zeihan on Moldova and Transnitia
« Reply #1133 on: February 15, 2023, 04:26:41 PM »

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WSJ: Russian tank losses
« Reply #1134 on: February 15, 2023, 06:51:13 PM »
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Russia Likely Lost More Than Half of Its Tanks in Ukraine, Estimates Show
Moscow has to rely on lower-quality tanks from storage, says think tank

An abandoned battle tank near Yampil, Ukraine.
PHOTO: YASUYOSHI CHIBA/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
By Stephen FidlerFollow
Feb. 15, 2023 11:41 am ET


LONDON—Russia has likely lost more than 2,000 tanks in its war in Ukraine, more than half of its operational tank fleet, according to estimates released Wednesday from the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

The London-based think tank said the loss of the weapons is forcing Russia to rely on its stores of older weapons even as it seeks to increase industrial production.

The estimates suggest that Russia might have lost 50% of modern tanks such as the T-72B3 and T-72B3M and that its inventory of T-80BV/U tanks has been depleted by two-thirds.


Henry Boyd, research fellow at the IISS, estimated a floor of about 1,700 tank losses by Russian forces. “I would suspect the actual figure is somewhere between 20% and 40% higher than that” at between 2,000 and 2,300, he said.

The estimates are used to inform the IISS Military Balance, an annual assessment of military strength worldwide. The report, released Wednesday, puts the current Russian operational tank inventory at 1,800. While Moscow is projected to have a further 5,000 tanks in storage, most are of lower quality and many are likely to be junk, IISS analysts said. Russia’s most modern tank—the T-14 Armata—remains in test, the report said.

Ukraine claims close to 3,300 Russian tank losses. Oryx, an independent team of analysts that has tracked open-source intelligence on equipment losses throughout the war, estimated that more than 1,700 Russian tanks have been destroyed, damaged or captured.

As the U.S. and its allies start sending Abrams, Leopards and other tanks to help Ukraine, those vehicles are set to change the dynamics of the war along the front lines. WSJ examines how the tanks that Ukraine will receive from the West compare with Russia’s vehicles. Illustration: Adam Adada

Ukrainian losses have been less well-documented. The IISS estimates between 450 and 700 Ukrainian tank losses, leaving about 950 operational, according to the report. Western tanks have been promised to Kyiv but are yet to arrive. “Russia’s quantitative advantage has dropped dramatically but it’s still there,” said Mr. Boyd.

Russia also lost last year an estimated 6%-8% of its active tactical combat aircraft, including 10%-15% of the prewar fleets of some multirole and ground-attack aircraft, such as the Su-30SM and Su-34. Douglas Barrie, a military-aerospace specialist at the IISS, said an estimated 20 Su-34 strike aircraft had been lost, along with one or two of the more-advanced Su-35.

Mr. Barrie said the loss of experienced pilots might be more of a concern than a loss of aircraft to Russia, which has failed to establish control of the air over Ukraine.

Ukraine, which started the war with many fewer aircraft, has lost about half of its prewar combat aircraft, the IISS estimated. It calculated Ukraine has 79 combat capable fixed-wing aircraft left.


The organization estimated Russian troop casualties—killed and injured—at between 100,000 and 150,000. Ukrainian losses are probably not far under that—but the losses are less well-documented and the estimate is made with less certainty, IISS analysts said.

The report said Western sanctions are likely to hamper Russia’s efforts to rearm. Even with an increased military budget, “it will be challenging to keep the military forces supplied for the continuing conflict in Ukraine, and that is before taking into account issues of industrial capacity and the impact of Western sanctions on component supplies.”

Russia’s total military spending was estimated to have increased 7.3% in real terms last year and accounted for 4.1% of gross domestic product.

Write to Stephen Fidler at stephen.fidler@wsj.com

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Re: WSJ: Russian tank losses
« Reply #1135 on: February 16, 2023, 06:21:11 AM »
From the article:
"Russia might have lost 50% of modern tanks such as the T-72B3 and T-72B3M and that its inventory of T-80BV/U tanks has been depleted by two-thirds"
...
"While Moscow is projected to have a further 5,000 tanks in storage, most are of lower quality and many are likely to be junk"
...
"the loss of experienced pilots might be more of a concern than a loss of aircraft to Russia, which has failed to establish control of the air over Ukraine"
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Cherry picking here a little but evidence suggests Russia is less of a power and less of a threat to NATO and the world today than it was one year ago.

I have some doubts about their nuclear capabilities as well.

Ukraine is getting free replenishment fro countries with 25 times the GDP of Russia.  US pays more for food stamp fraud than aid to Ukraine, not exactly bankrupting us. Russia pays for replenishment with its closed pipelines and dwindling oil revenues.

The opposing view that Russia can overwhelm relatively tiny Ukraine in a matter of weeks if not days seems ... slow to materialize.

Biden should:
a. Apologize for the pipeline misunderstanding, and
b. Offer to fix it when Russia surrenders and withdraws with the money no longer needed for tanks.
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Re: WSJ: Russian tank losses
« Reply #1136 on: February 16, 2023, 07:02:07 AM »
Your threats burned down your city, Doug.

I'm pretty sure no Russians were involved.



From the article:
"Russia might have lost 50% of modern tanks such as the T-72B3 and T-72B3M and that its inventory of T-80BV/U tanks has been depleted by two-thirds"
...
"While Moscow is projected to have a further 5,000 tanks in storage, most are of lower quality and many are likely to be junk"
...
"the loss of experienced pilots might be more of a concern than a loss of aircraft to Russia, which has failed to establish control of the air over Ukraine"
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Cherry picking here a little but evidence suggests Russia is less of a power and less of a threat to NATO and the world today than it was one year ago.

I have some doubts about their nuclear capabilities as well.

Ukraine is getting free replenishment fro countries with 25 times the GDP of Russia.  US pays more for food stamp fraud than aid to Ukraine, not exactly bankrupting us. Russia pays for replenishment with its closed pipelines and dwindling oil revenues.

The opposing view that Russia can overwhelm relatively tiny Ukraine in a matter of weeks if not days seems ... slow to materialize.

Biden should:
a. Apologize for the pipeline misunderstanding, and
b. Offer to fix it when Russia surrenders and withdraws with the money no longer needed for tanks.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1138 on: February 16, 2023, 09:38:39 AM »
Hard for us to tell what that clip is , , ,

Even if your inference is correct (and it might be) the Ukes are showing genuine fighting spirit.  It is almost like they are defending their homeland from invasion , , ,

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1139 on: February 16, 2023, 09:42:22 AM »
Hard for us to tell what that clip is , , ,

Even if your inference is correct (and it might be) the Ukes are showing genuine fighting spirit.  It is almost like they are defending their homeland from invasion , , ,

Or young people are being cynically being sent to their deaths over a pointless war that the deep state created.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1140 on: February 16, 2023, 01:55:18 PM »
That would be our Deep State.

The Ukes are fighting for their homeland.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1141 on: February 16, 2023, 02:00:40 PM »
That would be our Deep State.

The Ukes are fighting for their homeland.

They are fighting for a government we “Color Revolutioned” into power, which then provoked the Russians into this war.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1142 on: February 16, 2023, 02:42:14 PM »
Agreed we meddled bigly, but my understanding is that the government that was overthrown was in power as a result of Russian meddling and that its overthrow had the support of a substantial majority.

Can't say that I blame the Ukes for wanting US/NATO support.  Russia was nibbling the Donbas, had taken Crimea, and puppeteer control of Transnitia.


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Re: Ukraine NATO Chief says war started in 2014?
« Reply #1143 on: February 17, 2023, 09:28:03 AM »
Agreed we meddled bigly, but my understanding is that the government that was overthrown was in power as a result of Russian meddling and that its overthrow had the support of a substantial majority.

Can't say that I blame the Ukes for wanting US/NATO support.  Russia was nibbling the Donbas, had taken Crimea, and puppeteer control of Transnitia.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-chief-belatedly-admits-war-didnt-start-february-last-year-war-started-2014


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Something missing in the Biden went to Ukraine story
« Reply #1145 on: February 21, 2023, 07:06:11 AM »
US presidents usually make surprise visits to war zones - to visit the troops.

There are no US troops in Ukraine.

Biden made his visit to raise the US profile in the Ukraine war. I thought part of the objective was to NOT make this a US - Russia war. I thought we were offering limited help, behind the scenes, low profile.

I'm not sure what we gain by raising our profile in the war, Russia versus Ukraine.
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Re: Something missing in the Biden went to Ukraine story
« Reply #1146 on: February 21, 2023, 07:21:32 AM »
Got to keep Hunter's sweet Burisma checks coming.

US presidents usually make surprise visits to war zones - to visit the troops.

There are no US troops in Ukraine.

Biden made his visit to raise the US profile in the Ukraine war. I thought part of the objective was to NOT make this a US - Russia war. I thought we were offering limited help, behind the scenes, low profile.

I'm not sure what we gain by raising our profile in the war, Russia versus Ukraine.
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Re: Something missing in the Biden went to Ukraine story
« Reply #1147 on: February 21, 2023, 07:31:45 AM »
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Got to keep Hunter's sweet Burisma checks coming.

US presidents usually make surprise visits to war zones - to visit the troops.

There are no US troops in Ukraine.

Biden made his visit to raise the US profile in the Ukraine war. I thought part of the objective was to NOT make this a US - Russia war. I thought we were offering limited help, behind the scenes, low profile.

I'm not sure what we gain by raising our profile in the war, Russia versus Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1148 on: February 21, 2023, 08:56:51 AM »
I agree with what Pres Biden is saying, at least part way through this speech.

I did not hear the beginning or the end and maybe he put foot in mouth along the way but, main points I heard were, isolate Putin versus the world, reach out to the Russian people, no one is invading Russia, put out the word - this ends when Putin stops. Nobody else is quitting.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1149 on: February 21, 2023, 10:11:11 AM »

“We will bravely fight to the last Ukrainian!”


I agree with what Pres Biden is saying, at least part way through this speech.

I did not hear the beginning or the end and maybe he put foot in mouth along the way but, main points I heard were, isolate Putin versus the world, reach out to the Russian people, no one is invading Russia, put out the word - this ends when Putin stops. Nobody else is quitting.