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Re: Carville calls for Second American Civil War
« Reply #2050 on: October 25, 2024, 01:45:34 PM »
https://leohohmann.com/2024/10/23/dangerous-post-election-narrative-james-carville-calls-on-democrats-to-take-up-arms-against-trump-regime-if-kamala-loses/

If it’s rank and file Dems, it won’t turn out well. Imagine a Carville v. Joe Deer Hunter dust up. That Cajun would no longer be ragin’ in short order. Be like if members of The View showed up to one of your stick fights.

Were this instead a call to the military … well that would be as profound a crisis as this country has ever faced, and our geopolitical foes would be all over it.

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So who is Eric Herschmann
« Reply #2052 on: October 27, 2024, 05:02:47 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Herschmann

"Cheney, who was then the J6 Committee’s vice chair, called the note, which included a script for Trump to read during the unrest at the Capitol, proof of Hutchinson’s key role in the White House's response to the riots."

This from the Wiki article:

"After the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson before the January 6 Committee, a spokesman for Herschmann confirmed "that a handwritten note regarding a potential statement for then-President Donald Trump to release during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was written by him during a meeting at the White House that afternoon, and not by White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson."

So clearly Hutchison lied.  But it was for Democrats so nothing will happen and Cheney will BS her way out of it.

as an aside

interesting
I was once interested in going into the field of questioned documents - got an MS in Forensic Science at GW
and did an internship at the USPS forensic department.

Then decided to go to med school   :-P
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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2053 on: October 27, 2024, 06:57:36 PM »
"I was once interested in going into the field of questioned documents - got an MS in Forensic Science at GW
and did an internship at the USPS forensic department."

Far out.

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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2054 on: October 27, 2024, 08:28:12 PM »
 :-DThank for spelling far out and not shorthand FO

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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2055 on: October 27, 2024, 08:29:40 PM »
:-DThank for spelling far out and not shorthand FO

Wait, FO isn’t forward observer? I’m so confused….

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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2056 on: October 28, 2024, 06:50:58 AM »
Yes, FO is Forward Observer  :-D :-D :-D


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Harrison Ruffin Tyler's maternal great grandfather
« Reply #2058 on: November 04, 2024, 08:16:49 PM »
You ask who the heck is Harrison Ruffin Tyler.   Well, he is President Tyler's still living grandson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Ruffin_Tyler

Why do I post here in Second American Civil War rather then the history section.

It is because of his maternal great grandfather on the other side of his family tree who was Edmund Ruffin III

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Ruffin

He was from Revolutionary War ancestry.
He was of Southern plantation family who owned well over 100 slaves in multiple plantations at his peak.

His suicide note is quite remarkable and applicable to today's political strife:

"When the war ended with Confederate defeat, Ruffin, who had already suffered the loss of his wife and eight of his eleven children, was crushed. Increasingly despondent after the surrender of Robert E. Lee at Appomattox Court House in 1865, along with the other surrenders that were to follow, Ruffin decided to commit suicide. On June 18, 1865, while staying with his son and daughter-in-law at Redmoor in Amelia County, Ruffin went up to his room with a rifle and a forked stick. He was called away to greet visitors at the front door. After they left, Ruffin returned to write a
final diary entry:


And now with my latest writing and utterance, and with what will [be] near to my latest breath, I here repeat, & would willingly proclaim, my unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule—to all political, social and business connections with Yankees, & to the perfidious, malignant, & vile Yankee race.[31]: 230 

Ruffin wrapped himself in a Confederate flag, put the rifle muzzle in his mouth and used the forked stick to manipulate the trigger. The percussion cap went off without firing the rifle, and the noise alerted Ruffin's daughter-in-law. However, by the time she and his son reached his room, Ruffin had reloaded the rifle and fired a fatal shot.[31]: 230  Edmund Jr. and neighbor William H. Harrison transported his body to Marlbourne, his plantation in Hanover County, Virginia, for burial."

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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2059 on: November 05, 2024, 02:13:55 AM »
What to Expect This Election – And Beyond

Brace yourself.

November 4, 2024 by Mark Tapson


We’re right on the cusp of – yes, it’s true and not just a hyperbolic cliché – the most consequential election of our time. What can you expect on November 5th – and then beyond?

The short answer is: expect the unexpected, which sounds like another cliché as well as a waffling response, but the only thing we can be sure of is that from here through Inauguration Day and beyond, chaos is going to be the order of the day.

First, the election itself. As things stand now, I personally do not see how Donald Trump can lose – even factoring in what will surely be widespread attempts at voter fraud including an unknown quantity of illegal aliens who have been registered to vote by the Democrats (which is precisely the reason, of course, that they threw open the southern border for four years). The Democrats know they’re going to lose, which is why activists have already started burning ballot boxes in Washington state and Oregon (and you can expect more ballot boxes in other states to begin meeting the same fate). I don’t see how the Democrats can even cheat their way to victory this time. We all know – and the Democrats especially are painfully aware – that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are a disastrous duo whom no one likes and they have run a terrible campaign that is floundering more and more each day.

Conversely, we also all know – and the Democrats especially are painfully aware – that Trump has been a rock star on the campaign trail and that YUGE crowds have come out for him everywhere. Kamala could only boost her crowds with a bait-and-switch, promising Beyoncé concerts that never materialized, for example. Kamala couldn’t even score a victory with a solo CNN town hall; CNN commentators afterward couldn’t cover for her disastrous performance. Her entire campaign has been based on lies and fear-mongering about fascism and democracy because she’s incapable of talking policy or differentiating herself from the decrepit, deposed Joe Biden.

Biden, by the way, may have dealt her campaign a fatal blow late last week by calling Trump supporters – more than half the country – “garbage.” It’s his “deplorables” moment and Kamala and her media allies have been unable to convincingly disavow what he said. Not that all of them are willing to disavow that characterization anyway. A major billionaire democrat donor actually publicly declared that describing the Right as garbage is “an understatement.” The left hates us with the heat of a thousand suns.

That’s why this election is so consequential. Yes, every presidential election in the 21st century, if not before, has been labeled “the most consequential election of our time.” But every election has been the most consequential at the time, because our political landscape has become increasingly fractured by an increasingly radical far-Left movement which dominates the Democrat Party, which now wields both political and cultural dominance, and threatens to steer the country irreversibly further Left under a potential Harris/Walz regime.

In any case, while Kamala’s campaign implodes, Trump is off racking up tens of millions of views of a 3-hour interview with podcaster Joe Rogan; he’s shrugging off assassin’s bullets at rallies; he’s capitalizing big-time on Democrat attacks by slinging fries at McDonald’s and campaigning in a garbage truck; he blew the roof off a Madison Square Garden rally – and don’t even get me started on JD Vance’s media appearances, in which he mops the floor with frustrated, agitated, Left-wing talking heads. He’s a role model for how to deal with the hostile liars in the media.

As an aside: I’m happily married but I’m on the verge of a serious bromance with JD Vance, who exudes a real presidential presence. I am praying for four years of Trump in the Oval Office and then eight more under JD Vance. That would just about Make America Great Again.

Anyway, there’s no question that in a free and fair election, Trump would win. However, we all know that in America we don’t have free and fair elections anymore, thanks to massive Left-wing voter fraud and a feckless Republican party that has allowed our electoral process to degenerate into a hopeless mess which no one trusts.

So again, we can expect the unexpected in terms of the election, even though I believe Trump will ultimately win – assuming he is not assassinated first, and I’m not joking or being flippant about that. We all know the Left is praying (there are no atheists in foxholes) that someone takes him out before Nov. 5th, or at the very least before he takes office in January. And it won’t end there. Once he re-enters the White House, he’ll be facing four years of assassination attempts because the left will never stop wanting him dead.

The real concern is not so much the election itself but the aftermath, because Democrats will under no circumstances allow Trump to become President again. They have already promised they will do everything in their power to de-legitimize the vote count or disqualify Trump or otherwise do whatever it takes to prevent the transfer of power.

If the Democrats refuse to allow the peaceful transfer of power (which they’ve spent the last four years accusing Trump of), America will be thrust into a hot civil war. If Trump loses, it will only be because of massive voter fraud, but the Right will not sit back this time and accept it. I will not be surprised at all if there is violent pushback. So whether he wins or loses the vote count, America is going to be wracked by violent unrest and chaos for months like nothing we’ve seen since 2020, if not worse. And Trump himself will face daily internal resistance within the halls of power from whatever remains of the Deep State, which hopefully this time he will have the focus to clean up.

If Kamala “wins,” her presidency will be the most radical in American history. It’s easy and tempting to dismiss her as an epically incompetent dim bulb, because that’s what she is. It’s easy and tempting to mock her pompous word salads, her nervous cackling, her Meryl Streep-level range of accents when addressing different demographics, but remember that she is also ruthless, ambitious, and cruel, and she enjoys destroying lives through political power. With her in the White House we can expect four years of vindictiveness and retribution against political opponents, in addition to the most radical imaginable policies.

Despite the Left’s attempt to paint Tim Walz as a regular guy, like a local Little League coach, he too is a ruthless radical. A Harris/Walz administration will be catastrophic for America, so brace yourself. Start now, if you haven’t already, preparing for the worst times America has endured in living memory. Because her enemies both internal and external will smell blood in the water and, if I may mix my metaphors, launch a full-court press to take America down for good.

If you’re not already a prepper, learn to be one. Start creating local networks of friends and neighbors whom you can count on in hard times, and prepare yourself physically, mentally, and spiritually for various hardship scenarios, especially if you live in urban areas ruled by Democrats. Because those areas are going to witness ugly unrest and violent breakdown like we saw during the George Floyd riots.

The same goes for America even if Trump and Vance win the election, because the Democrats will “resist” by any means necessary. Through the Democrat narrative to demonize Trump as Literally Hitler™ and his supporters as Nazis and fascists, the Left is laying the groundwork for violent “resistance” intended to destabilize the country from Day One.

Rep. Jamie Raskin, who is one of the biggest liars and propagandists in Congress, has vowed that Congress will remove Trump by invoking Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which prohibits anyone “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding federal office. Raskin has said that it’s going to be up to him and his fellow Dem lawmakers on January 6, 2025, to tell the “rampaging Trump mobs that he’s disqualified.” He added, “And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions.”

Vote accordingly, if you haven’t already, and prepare for the worst, whatever the outcome. I don’t mean for that to be disheartening, just realistic and motivating. As Donald Trump, Jr. put it in a tweet, “Vote like your lives, freedom, wellbeing and children’s future depend on it. Because they do. Don’t be demoralized just get out and bring your friends and overwhelm anything the democrats throw at you!”

These are the times that try men’s souls. Rise to the occasion.


"You have enemies?  Good.  That means that you have stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill.



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Stage 5 TDS - great label!
« Reply #2062 on: November 09, 2024, 10:55:34 AM »
"Mr. Fanone is clearly a ticking time bomb with Stage 5 TDS"

Like Michael Turkey Cohen.

Pelosi I would say is stage 4.   Blames Biden when she was one of the ones who allowed the Radical Left to take over her party.

Obama and Michelle stage 4.


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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2063 on: November 09, 2024, 11:30:32 AM »
Just read some Jeffery Toobin. I’d say stage 2, but that’s likely after he got done relaxing in front of the monitor during a Zoom call. Otherwise stage 4, at least.

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AOC wants to know why some in her district voted for her AND Trump
« Reply #2064 on: November 11, 2024, 07:46:48 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-directly-addresses-people-who-voted-for-both-her-and-trump/ar-AA1tSZPA?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7113038ae76a4b098140413653a752af&ei=16

The big miss by these people is this:

Trump and AOC are NOT the same.

One's prescription is for capitalism, MAGA, hard work, responsibility, competition, sovereignty.

The other's is for Communism. 

Totally different.  But these people who can vote for both probably do not understand this, or care.



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Re: Insurrection (Including J6) and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #2066 on: November 14, 2024, 02:57:45 PM »
A good one for the FBI thread as well.

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J6 Cop that Shot Unarmed Woman Plied w/ Cash & Bennies
« Reply #2067 on: November 21, 2024, 07:49:04 AM »
This is galling: the Capitol Police Officer that shot Alisha Babbit was moved to the head of the line to receive trauma compensation from a fund for injured officers, raised $164K via a Go Fund Me effort, and according to Kelly, has a protective detail and a no-show job:

https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1859594292165038280?s=12

ETA: More on this officer: https://justthenews.com/accountability/hldcop-who-shot-j6-protestor-has-lengthy-disciplinary-record-mishandled-firearms?utm_medium=social_media&utm_source=facebook_social_icon&utm_campaign=social_icons
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Devine: The Buried J6 Truth
« Reply #2070 on: November 25, 2024, 07:39:43 AM »
Another great column by Miranda Devine of The New York Post. Even more damning information has now come out regarding January 6th and why more safeguards were not in place. Hopefully Trump will get to the bottom of this, pardon those being held without due process, and hold the proper individuals responsible. We can only hope and pray.


Tragic Ashli Babbitt and the buried Jan. 6 truth

By Miranda Devine

Published Nov. 24, 2024, 11:25 p.m. ET


So now we know that the cop who fatally shot unarmed Donald Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt, 36, during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot was rewarded with a promotion and a $36,000 bonus.

There were no ill consequences for his rash actions that day. Instead, Capt. Michael Byrd, 56, was held up as a hero of democracy, despite the fact that he had a lengthy disciplinary record that includes leaving his loaded handgun in a public bathroom in the Capitol Visitor Center, “improperly” firing his gun at a car near his home while off duty and abusing a Maryland cop who tried to stop him entering a high school football field as a “racist a–hole,” again while off duty, according to a letter released last week by the GOP-led House Administration Committee’s Subcommittee on Oversight.

Three entries in Byrd’s internal affairs record are missing, wrote subcommittee Chairman Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.) in a letter to Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger.


Left’s convenient spin

Loudermilk is asking questions about Byrd and everything else about the Jan. 6 riot that was used so effectively to tarnish Trump and his supporters and that provided the excuse for the Biden administration to weaponize federal law enforcement against them.

The J6 riot was not an insurrection but a protest that escalated into an out-of-control riot because then-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was denied intelligence about potential threats that day and denied National Guard backup that he was begging for.

In the cold light of hindsight, a new Trump administration will ensure that the narrative of J6 is rewritten to reflect the truth of that tragic day instead of the lies spun by Democratic Speaker emerita Nancy Pelosi’s J6 committee.

Sund is a crucial witness to history. Pelosi (D-Calif.) made him her scapegoat, firing him immediately, but she knew he had begged for the National Guard to assist his vastly outnumbered troops.

He needed the permission of the Capitol Police Board, and Pelosi and then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) controlled the two sergeants-at-arms who had to give him the OK. McConnell’s guy deferred to Pelosi, and Pelosi’s guy kept saying he had to “run it up the chain to get Pelosi’s approval,” says Sund.

But the National Guard didn’t arrive for hours, delayed not just by Pelosi but by officials at the Pentagon who had become so Trump-deranged that they believed the president would repurpose the troops to declare martial law and try to hang on to power.

This was a delusion that worst gripped Mark Milley, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the most powerful military figure in Washington.

Milley was constantly talking to people about the threat of a “coup” by Trump after the 2020 election, Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker wrote in their book “I Alone Can Fix It,” which paints Milley as a defender of democracy rather than an emotional weakling defying his commander-in-chief.

In the days leading up to the riot, Milley told his staff that Trump’s suggestions that the National Guard be deployed on Jan. 6 were just an “excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act” and call out the military.

The book paints a picture of an increasingly paranoid Milley fielding calls from unnamed “friends” egging him on in his delusion.

Milley came to see Trump as Hitler. “This is a Reichstag moment,” he told aides. “The gospel of the Führer.”

Milley seemed to get radicalized after the June 2020 riots at Lafayette Square in front of the White House, which got so violent that Trump and his family had to be evacuated by the Secret Service to an underground bunker.

Milley’s Trump grudge

Trump two days later ordered that Lafayette Square be cleared so he could reassure the public by appearing at St. John’s Church, which had been firebombed the previous night.

Milley was more upset at the criticism he received for appearing in a presidential photo op in his uniform than he was about the fact that the president had to be evacuated to a bunker.

During those violent riots, officers at the capital’s Metropolitan Police Department were “ordered not to assist at the White House,” says Sund, undoubtedly by DC Mayor Muriel Bowser, a rancid Trump hater.

Sund says the DC cops “were so furious having to watch bloodied Secret Service agents being taken out by ambulance” while they could do nothing. Afterward, he phoned then-DC Police Chief Pete Newsham and asked for an assurance that if he had problems at the Capitol, the DC police would come and help. Although Newsham retired five days before the Jan. 6 riot, the DC police “could not have helped me more,” says Sund, and sent him 1,000 officers.

But when it came to the National Guard, Sund hit roadblock after roadblock.

First it was Pelosi, and then the Pentagon.

After his troops had been fighting rioters for 80 minutes, Sund finally got approval from Pelosi to call in the National Guard, moments before the first window was broken.

He then called Gen. William Walker, commander of the DC National Guard, but Walker needed permission from Trump’s acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, who was suffering from the same Trump delusion as Milley.

It took four hours for the National Guard to arrive. But it was all over by then.

Walker’s hands had been tied by a curious memo issued by Miller two days earlier, ordering “unprecedented restrictions on the DC National Guard” applying to Jan. 5 and Jan. 6, Sund says in his book, “Courage Under Fire.”

In his Jan. 4, 2021, memo titled, “Employment guidance,” Miller dictates that, without his “personal authorization,” the DC National Guard cannot be issued “weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, or … helmets and body armor” or “interact physically with protesters … employ any riot control agents … share equipment with law enforcement agencies … employ helicopters or any other air assets,” and so on. In other words, they could do nothing.

And nothing they did, until it was too late.

Ominous WaPo op-ed

Something else significant happened the day Miller issued his memo: An op-ed signed by 10 former secretaries of defense, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Jim Mattis, was published by the Washington Post warning that Trump might use the military to hang on to power. They warned, “Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures” would potentially face “criminal penalties.”

Miller got the message. He later testified to Congress that he wrote the memo because he was afraid Trump “would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an antidemocratic manner.”

As a result, Sund never got the National Guard backup he needed to stop the Capitol being overrun. Mayhem was inevitable.

Conveniently for the Democrats, the riot prevented Trump allies’ efforts in Congress from delaying certification of the Electoral College votes and was a perfect branding exercise to make Trump and his supporters look bad.

The irony is that Sund, the man who did more than anybody to save the Capitol that day, was forced out in ignominy before he was eligible for his pension — while everybody who failed got off scot-free.





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FO: Trump nominees targetted
« Reply #2071 on: November 29, 2024, 08:04:14 AM »
(1) TRUMP NOMINEES TARGETED IN BOMB THREAT AND SWATTING CAMPAIGN: Trump Transition Team spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said multiple Trump cabinet nominees received bomb threats, and were targeted by “swatting” attempts.

A White House spokesperson said the White House has been in contact with federal law enforcement and the Trump transition team, and an investigation is ongoing.

Why It Matters: So far Howard Lutnick, Pete Hegseth, Brooke Rollins, Lee Zeldin, and Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) said they were targeted with threats. The Trump transition team did not say how many Trump nominees were targeted, but it is likely more were targeted with bomb threats and “swatting” calls to police. These are tactics expected from a planned pressure campaign against Trump cabinet officials, but federal authorities have not yet released information on suspects. – R.C.

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FO: "Scenes from the Atlanta Forest" shut down by its host
« Reply #2072 on: November 29, 2024, 08:56:05 AM »
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(5) FAR LEFT BLOG SHUT DOWN: A popular revolutionary anarchist blog called “Scenes from the Atlanta Forest” announced they were shut down by their host, allegedly for posting the personal information of dozens of members of the Heritage Foundation and other target organizations.

The blog had for years been pivotal in disseminating information on the Atlanta Public Safety Training Center and direct action demonstrations against it, including occupation of the construction site and dozens of cases of vandalism and arson against construction equipment and police vehicles (covered in this report since 2021).

Why It Matters: The announcement implied that the web host was pressured by authorities to remove the blog, which contained years’ worth of posts, zines, and how-to information, including posts on how to construct incendiary devices. This will not have a major impact on the Far Left, as all the information remains available on mirrored and archived sites, and because of the constellation of similar blogs that are still active. It’s unclear who pressured the blog host, however, we will likely see attempts by the Department of Justice to dislocate these Far Left revolutionary websites, which will certainly continue to incite violence against the Trump administration, law enforcement, and other political targets. – M.S.


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Conspiracy Theorists 1, 'Mainstream' Media Dems 0, on 'Insurrection' Analysis
« Reply #2074 on: December 12, 2024, 04:22:29 PM »
"BREAKING: The FBI had 26 confidential human sources at the Capitol on January 6, including four who entered the Capitol building and 13 who entered the "restricted area" around the Capitol, according to a just released DOJ Inspector General reporter."
https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1867287463187595764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1867287463187595764%7Ctwgr%5Ebdf000f6b86c53897c5dce7105fc20f3232b9c9f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F689928%2F

26 admitted FBI agents plus how many from other areas of government, doesn't say.

Soooo, if you were watching footage of the riot and the entering of the capital, in real time or later on MSNBC or in a congressional committee, you would have no idea which were January 6th protesters and which were government agents in iring, instigating and pretending to be January 6th protesters.

In other words, you were told this is the protest but literally your eyes were lying to you, in part.

Does anyone on the Liz Cheney side of this realize what this means?

Someone needs to go back and mark all of the film with all 26 of these agents so that we know which is which.

The 26 doesn't include Epps? Or does it?


They waited 4 years and 2: election cycles to tell us.
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IG Whitewash?
« Reply #2075 on: December 13, 2024, 07:58:32 AM »
To be precise, there is a difference between "agents" (employees of the FBI) and "informants/sources" (paid, paid off in lighter charges/sentences)

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https://ace.mu.nu/archives/412784.php


https://revolver.news/2024/12/jonathan-turley-asks-the-million-dollar-question-about-all-those-j6-fbi-informants/
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Trump needs to make an example of General Milley
« Reply #2077 on: December 14, 2024, 06:16:44 AM »


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by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Dec 05, 2024 - 08:45 PM
Authored by Christopher Roach via American Greatness,

In dealing with his enemies in the Deep State, President Trump could follow one of two paths. One would be the path of peace, reconciliation, and forgiveness. This would certainly be easier in the short term and also garner approval from insiders and the media. Alternatively, he could seek to clean house and punish the worst and most insubordinate offenders from his first term.



Which path Trump should take all depends on whether one believes the last eight years were normal partisan squabbles or if one believes that something monumental happened: the obstruction of democratic self-government by a technocratic Deep State.

I believe it is the latter for reasons I have explained before at length. In short, Trump was not allowed to govern, nor treated as other presidents were during his first term. The problem began before Trump, as entrenched bureaucratic interests have worked quietly to control more cooperative and less independent presidents, like Barack Obama and Joe Biden. But the resistance to Trump reflected a mature, ideological, and increasingly self-conscious managerial class that believed they were entitled to rule without regard to electoral results.

Trump was a threat to business as usual.

Thus, a cabal of intelligence agencies cooperated to stop him from making changes to foreign policy or scrutinizing the outsized military-industrial complex. Contrary to the media’s dire pronouncements, these insiders were the real threat to democracy and self-government.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, was one of the worst offenders.

As documented in Bob Woodward’s book Peril, Milley spent a lot of time after the 2020 election caballing with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and reassuring her that the military would resist certain orders from President Trump.

He met with the small group of officers who control our strategic nuclear forces and demanded they pledge to get his approval before executing any launch orders, even though, as head of the Joint Chiefs, he is merely an advisor and is statutorily excluded from the chain of command.

Finally, and most controversially, he was telling his counterpart in China that he would let them know if an attack or other action was coming from the United States. He defended this as normal “deconfliction” communications, but these secret talks took place without authorization from either the Secretary of Defense or the president.

All of Milley’s actions took place after he earlier joined with a group of retired officers to impede Trump’s use of the military to stop nationwide riots around June of 2020. Milley sent out an implied message to the troops suggesting that they could ignore any order to deploy, even though active-duty troops have been used in such a capacity repeatedly, including during the 1992 L.A. Riots.

As he reminded the whole nation by using the term “white rage,” Milley is typical of the new class of liberal senior officers who take part in the culture wars, cleave to one-half of the partisan divide, and act like they are beyond the control of the president whom they serve when they disagree with his politics.

Milley’s bad behavior was particularly egregious because of his role.

The Joint Chiefs are supposed to serve as military advisors. They are statutorily excluded from the ordinary chain of command to maintain institutional separation between advisory and command roles. This arrangement is designed to contribute to increased trust and candor between the Joint Chiefs and the president.

Secret talks with partisan opponents of the president, unauthorized back-channel communications to enemies, casual comparisons of the president to Adolf Hitler, and pseudo-idealistic suggestions that troops should disobey the orders they find disagreeable undermine that trust for obvious reasons.

Some have argued this might all be permissible in extremis and as part of the right of service members to resist illegal orders. But too much is made of this right. This defense is only supposed to apply to a very narrow set of self-evidently illegal orders, typically involving war crimes. Whether the government properly approved the use of troops to stop a riot is not such a case. Normally, the military must follow orders without delay. This distinguishes it from slower and less energetic civilian institutions.

There are a great many controversial—but legal—orders. Likely the most controversial would be an order to use nuclear weapons. The protocols on nuclear launch authority give exclusive power to the president to order a launch—a necessary, though admittedly dangerous, power to account for the fast timelines associated with a possible enemy first strike.

Perhaps this authority should be pulled back—I believe it should, particularly for cases of non-retaliatory uses of these weapons—but this was the established policy stretching back to the Cold War. More important, it was firmly established when Milley took it upon himself to undermine Trump’s authority by secretly demanding a loyalty oath from the officers in charge of our nuclear arsenal.

Milley did what he did because he was afraid of his own shadow and convinced himself that Trump was losing it and about to become a dictator.

In his supercilious and adolescent phrasing, we were facing a “Reichstag moment.”

The military is not part of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances. The military and the entire executive branch are subordinate to the president. He is their source of authority and is the boss, having attained his authority from an election involving the entire American people.

Once upon a time, liberals worried that a conservative, authoritarian military might thwart a liberal president and his policies. But these fears proved to be completely overblown. The military was, until a decade or so ago, a self-consciously nonpartisan institution. Even as it trended more conservative during the Clinton years, there was no insubordination akin to Milley’s performance.

It turns out that while the country was on the lookout for right-wing military extremists, the military had few defenses from leftist partisanship. Whether classified as treason or mere insubordination, a similarly corrosive performance risks repeating itself during Trump’s second term.

In the immediate aftermath of the election, the left seems to realize it is unwise to resist openly and violently, as they did for much of the Trump administration. But I believe, at the moment, they are merely regrouping and working on a strategy they believe will work.

The military, which retains prestige because it is still perceived as a nonpartisan repository of patriotic rectitude, will likely loom prominently in these plans, just as it did during Trump’s first term. As we know, the military and Milley lost all qualms about using the military domestically when they flooded the zone with armed National Guardsmen to create a Green Zone for Biden’s 2021 Inauguration.

This unhealthy politicization and leftist partisanship among the military’s senior leadership must be stopped.

The military should return to its role as a neutral instrument of national power. But this means it must chiefly be controlled by the elected president in the manner he directs. In order to restore healthier civil-military relations, there must be a dramatic and symbolic reset reminding the military and the rest of the country that Trump has full executive powers as president.

In order to accomplish this, Mark Milley should be recalled to service, court-martialed, punished, and publicly dishonored in order to prevent a resurgence of the corrosive principle of leftist military partisanship during Trump’s second term.

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Insurrection? 20 Obvious Questions relating to Jan 6
« Reply #2078 on: December 14, 2024, 08:59:22 AM »
Jack Cashill, American Thinker:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/12/20_or_so_obvious_questions_about_january_6.html
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–Although now the FBI admits to having 26 confidential human sources in the crowd on January 6, how many total “assets” did the FBI and other entities plant, and what roles did they play?


–For what entity was Ray Epps working and under what terms?

–Who planted the pipe bombs outside the DNC and near the RNC headquarters?


–Who instructed Kamala Harris to conceal the fact that she was at the DNC when the bomb was found and why?

–Why did Harris allow hundreds of J6ers to be prosecuted for threatening her designated space at the Capitol when she wasn’t at the Capitol?


–Who were the “two law enforcement officials” who told the New York Times that “pro-Trump rioters” fatally struck Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick with a fire extinguisher, inflicting “a bloody gash in his head”?
–Who orchestrated the 100-day-plus suppression of Sicknick’s autopsy report?
–If Sicknick was not murdered, as the DOJ finally conceded, why did a federal judge give Julian Khater an 80-month prison sentence for spritzing Sicknick with an over-the-counter pepper spray?

–Has there been an official inquiry into the subsequent suicide deaths of four USCP officers, and if not, why has the DOJ routinely blamed the J6ers for causing those deaths?


–Why was there no crime scene investigation in the likely homicide of Rosanne Boyland?

–Who chose to ignore the obvious video evidence of Boyland being suffocated as a result of a police action and to falsely blame her death on an amphetamine overdose?

–Who suppressed the Boyland autopsy report for 90 days and stonewalled her family at every turn?

–Why was Lila Morris, the Metropolitan P.D. officer caught on video repeatedly bashing the unconscious Boyland over the head with a tree branch, not even disciplined?

–Why was Metropolitan P.D. lieutenant Jason Bagshaw promoted despite having been caught on video bashing the defenseless Victoria White bloody?
–Why did the DOJ not interview the eyewitnesses to the shooting death of Ashli Babbitt?

–Why did the USCP coddle and promote Babbitt’s killer, Michael Byrd, despite a shooting that, according to use-of-force expert Stan Kephart, “violated not only the law but his oath”?

–Who ordered the “shock and awe” raids on the homes of hundreds of non-violent protesters and why?

–Why has the so-called “Scaffold Commander” not been arrested despite multiple clear images of his face?

–Why has the man who constructed the mock gallows on the Capitol grounds not been arrested despite multiple clear images of his face?

–Why did the USCP allow the gallows to stand unmolested on Capitol grounds for more than four hours before the crowds gathered?

–Why was Emanuel Jackson quickly set free despite having been caught on video swinging a baseball bat at police officers over a two-hour period?

–If there was no insurrection, as the DOJ conceded, why were the sentences given to the J6ers so much more severe than the $30–50 fines given to the protesters who physically obstructed the Kavanaugh hearings?

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What say we to this?
« Reply #2079 on: December 14, 2024, 03:46:21 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/right-wing-conspiracy-theories-are-having-a-bad-day/ar-AA1vLb7i?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=b9cd56583c5d4a39b11c5f83c4a6aa25&ei=12

Right-wing conspiracy theories are having a bad day
Right-wing conspiracy theories are having a bad day
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If you spend much time watching Fox News, or if you look to social media sites such as X for information about American politics and the U.S. government, you have probably heard two specific claims over the past four years. First, that the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was fomented at least in part by government actors, including from the FBI. Second, that President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden took millions of dollars in bribes from a Ukrainian businessman.

You’ve probably heard those claims because each offers a different lens into the purported corruption of the Biden administration and/or the governmental Deep State — and because right-wing media organizations such as Fox spent months amplifying them. That claim about the bribes, for example, was hyped by Fox host Maria Bartiromo alone hundreds of times. The agent provocateur allegations about the Capitol riot, meanwhile, were a staple of Tucker Carlson’s former Fox News show.

There was never solid evidence to suggest that either was true. Instead, the assertions relied on the willingness of those on the right and supporters of Donald Trump in particular to embrace flimsy disparagements of Trump’s opponents and, rather than demand incontrovertible evidence from those making the claims, insist that the accused prove their own innocence.

Proving a negative — that someone didn’t do something — is often all but impossible, one reason that those in a weaker rhetorical position often demand it. But, on Thursday, new evidence emerged that brings each of the claims above one step closer to having been affirmatively disproved.

The one about the alleged bribe that Bartiromo found so convincing has already been eviscerated. It depended on an interview the FBI conducted with an informant — a “confidential human source” (CHS) in bureau parlance. This particular CHS alleged that he had been told about the bribe by a Ukrainian businessman and relayed that claim to his FBI handler.

The allegation took a meandering route to public attention but was seized upon last year by Republicans in Congress. At first, they demanded that the FBI release the write-up of the interview with the CHS, later revealed to be a man named Alexander Smirnov. When the FBI balked, noting that the interview was not corroborated and might put their sources at risk, the Republicans suggested it was an example of how the federal government was acting in Biden’s political interest.

In short order, though, that process complaint was overshadowed by the details of the allegation itself. Eventually, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) simply released the interview documentation himself. This claim that Biden had maybe taken a bribe was one of a handful of things that then-House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-California) invoked when launching an impeachment probe targeting the president.

And then Smirnov was indicted on charges that he invented the allegation out of whole cloth.

The indictment made public by the Justice Department offered a compelling timeline showing how the conversation in which Smirnov claimed to have learned about the bribe couldn’t have happened. On Thursday, he agreed to plead guilty to the charges he faces and admitted to having made the whole thing up.

In a different part of the Justice Department on the same day, Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a new report addressing the other of our two initial false claims, the one about the Capitol riot.

The 84-page assessment of the FBI’s failure to understand that the Capitol riot was looming looks at a number of things that unfolded in the weeks before Jan. 6, 2021. But it also includes a very clear review of the idea that the FBI directly or indirectly stoked the day’s violence.

“We found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or the testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6,” the report reads. There were informants at the Capitol that day, it continued, but those were people who, like Smirnov, gave information to the FBI rather than working for it directly. But even considering that distance from the government, the inspector general’s office found no evidence the informants were involved in the day’s violence.

“We determined that three CHSs had been tasked by FBI field offices in the days leading up to the January 6 Electoral Certification, with the required approval of the [Washington field office], to travel to DC for the events of January 6 to report on domestic terrorism subjects who were possibly attending the event,” the report states. Later, it notes that in addition to these three, the review “found that 23 other FBI CHSs were in DC on January 6 in connection with the events planned for January 6.” The FBI only knew that five of those informants were likely to be in D.C.

“None of these FBI CHSs were authorized to enter the Capitol or a restricted area, or to otherwise break the law on January 6,” the report states, “nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6.”

Of the 26 CHSs present that day, four entered the building and another 13 entered the restricted area surrounding the Capitol. None was arrested for taking part in the day’s violence — and, as stated, none had been instructed to trigger it.

Those eager to believe that the government did have a hand in the riot have a few options for dismissing this new evidence. Maybe it was some other federal agency, for example, or maybe the inspector general is simply covering for the FBI. This is precisely why demands to prove a negative are unfair; you can always shift to demand different proof.

The developments that unfolded Thursday are not surprising. It’s been clear from the outset that neither of the claims embraced by Fox and their allies were credibly substantiated. What the developments remind us, though, is that there are prominent voices who embraced those claims and that, over time, those claims have gotten substantially less credible.

Yet those voices haven’t gotten much less prominent

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Re: What say we to this?
« Reply #2080 on: December 14, 2024, 04:14:39 PM »
Lying by omission with such ease!  On the one point, he doesn't seem to know about the IG report where the riot we now know was LOADED with government agents.(agent = one who acts on behalf of another)  or is he downplaying that? Dozens, but they weren't ALL government agents. Remember, Capitol police held doors open for trespassers, film the J6 committee hid from us. Now we need to go through every frame of film used to fool the public and juries to find out who was following whom into trespassing, if we want to put/keep people behind bars. How does what he says justify the murder of Ashli Babbitt, shot in cold blood? Meanwhile the people who burned down thousands of buildings during the summer of George Floyd love run free with no mention from the author. It's all about the narrative and agenda but they call themselves mainstream media.

Back to J6, how many government officials were part of this that were not FBI, a question still not answered. In some polite words the author should STFU until all facts are in.

On the other point, how slick is it to narrow what Hunter did, what James Biden did, what Joe did, what the rest of the family did, down to one bribe from one official in one country, that didn't happen. That is not even the tip of the iceberg of what is accused. Ukraine, and still guilty there, did he forget about China?  Hunter is accused of being involved with millions and millions of dollars of transactions in taking multiple payments, in multiple countries, over multiple years and spreading it with multiple family members. How did he miss that?

I wrote at the time of that plea, this will be used to cover up all the rest of it, but it doesn't even start to.

If ALL that money never changed hands, then what is the IRS charge against Hunter? A misunderstanding? They weren't relying on a claim they knew all along was false, or why the pardon?? ?? ?? What about those millions of dollars, you think the IRS doesn't have a record of them passing through Hunter, and prosecuted and convicted him with hard evidence? Or don't we trust the judicial system, and THAT has implications to you know who. What a bunch of bull crap.

"nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6.”

  - THAT is VERY carefully worded statement, what the meaning of is is. Did they do that encouragement all on their own? Again, we need to review footage in the context of which are government plants, and which are Trump supporters and prosecute only those guilty and sentence equal to similar acts on the other side. .

Even if he was on either count or both and he's not, what does the conspiracy scoreboard say lately. The conspiracy theorists are beating the mainstream media in a landslide!  How sad for this nation.
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SS ordered cell phones cleansed
« Reply #2081 on: December 24, 2024, 06:11:03 AM »

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IIRC Dan Bongino spoke of this with a similar report that he knew of more then one active SS agent who claimed thir cell phone "mysteriously" disappeared after 1/6.