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Re: Donald Trump dumps his own tax plan
« Reply #1000 on: May 09, 2016, 06:28:02 PM »
IIRC, his tax plan was the only thing I liked about Trump.

"By the time it gets negotiated, it's going to be a different plan," Trump told George Stephanopoulos on ABC News' "This Week."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-walks-back-tax-plan-negotiated/story?id=38959168

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1001 on: May 10, 2016, 05:48:35 AM »
He is going to negotiate even lower rates.   :-D

Seriously , I agree we need to hold him accountable.  We cannot simply jump on board all blindly gung ho .

We got to repeatedly yank him to as far to the right conservative spectrum just as the left will like drug induced amazon warriors yank him as far to their end of the political spectrum.

The Trump tug of war.

Everyone of us need to man the tug of war rope. 

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1002 on: May 10, 2016, 06:46:19 AM »
He is going to negotiate even lower rates.   :-D

Seriously , I agree we need to hold him accountable.  We cannot simply jump on board all blindly gung ho .

We got to repeatedly yank him to as far to the right conservative spectrum just as the left will like drug induced amazon warriors yank him as far to their end of the political spectrum.

The Trump tug of war.

Everyone of us need to man the tug of war rope. 

The actual quote of needing to negotiate his tax plan is true; that is exactly what I was hoping for with Rubio and Cruz.  The unrealistic or counter-productive parts of their plans could have been fixed in a conservative-Republican House - then lost in a divided Senate.  (

As you suggest with the humor, Trump isn't gong to make a good plan better; he is planning to make it worse because 69 years of his experience come from flirting with the other side.  Still, the backing off of a deficit busting plan is a good, get-elected tactic.  Te Dems are foaming at the mouth to attack him on details, but he isn't a detail guy.

Maybe he won't need an income tax at all as he gets companies to pay 45% tariffs, neighboring countries to build walls and allies to take their turn at defending us...

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Mark Levin takes aim at Trump Trade, More Bernie Than Reagan
« Reply #1003 on: May 10, 2016, 07:00:19 AM »
Further to our discussion at 'Freedom to Trade', I'll mark this one down as famous people caught reading the forum.  )

I like Mark Levin - only when he agrees with me.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/05/09/mark-levin-trumptrade-bernie-reagan/
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/trump-on-trade-more-sanders-than-reagan

Mark Levin on ‘TrumpTrade’: More Bernie Than Reagan

"...when it comes to Trump’s own financial dealings, he is an unrepentant globalist, from which he has made a fortune. But these days, as he runs for president, the billionaire is a radical protectionist who has repeatedly declared his intention to impose massive tariffs aimed at the economies of other countries, such as Japan and Mexico, and a forty-five percent tariff on products from China. Such broad tariffs would most certainly result in retaliation by the targeted countries. This is a sure job-killer that would also drive up costs of everyday products to low- and middle-class Americans. The net result: economic misery, not just for those hard-working, tax-paying Americans who work in industries that rely on international commerce and trade, but mostly everyone."
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Not to belabor this, but I don't get where he calls Nafta the worst trade agreement ever, the worst, where it was mainly Mexican tariffs on USA goods that were lowered.  Wasn't letting China into the WTO without agreement to honor patents and trademarks far worse?

Like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, the lips move and what comes out has nothing to do with the truth, what they believe, or how they intend to govern.  Obamacare will lower family premiums by 2500 and  a new round of tariffs on American consumers will make Indiana great again.  It is all just noise in the room, insulting to people who study these things.



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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1006 on: May 10, 2016, 04:02:46 PM »
Doug writes,

"I like Mark Levin - only when he agrees with me."  I really like and fortunately agree with him ~ 90% of the time. But he rather uncompromising and steadfast .  If one does not agree with him look out.

BTW I have so far only spent time listening to one of his CABLE TV shows (45 minutes ) on topic of the  threat of EMP to our way of life.   It was VERY interesting indeed.  We could reduce that threat for perhaps a "mere" $2 billion but it would be pennies to pay to prevent the trillions of damage and millions of lives that would be lost.  One small nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US could do us all in.  That is all it would take.  Korea might soon be able to do it.

 

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1007 on: May 10, 2016, 06:57:34 PM »
One small nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US could do most of us all in.  That is all it would take.  Korea might soon be able to do it.

 

Corrected.

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Geraghty quotes Brad Thor
« Reply #1008 on: May 11, 2016, 08:22:28 AM »
Even if a President Trump moved American policy generally rightward -- far from a sure bet -- it would probably come at great cost in liberty. Brad Thor, bestselling author and friend of the Morning Jolt, offers his thoughts on the choice before us:

My greatest concern about Donald Trump, though, isn’t a trait he lacks, but a dangerous one he poses -- in spades. Authoritarianism.
Confident people do not bully and demean others. That is the realm of the weak and insecure. Confident people also do not threaten others, especially not their fellow citizens.

Donald Trump has told us to just wait and see what he does to Jeff Bezos once he gets into the White House. He has told us the American military will do whatever he tells them to do no matter what their reservations. He has promised to prevent American companies from moving outside the United States, regardless of what they believe is best for their businesses.

In other words, Donald Trump has clearly told all of us that he will use the power of the presidency to force people to bend to his will. This is not liberty.
In fact, Donald Trump has never even spoken about liberty. Neither has he spoken about the Constitution and the Founding documents. This is an absolute first in the history of the United States.

Instead, Donald Trump talks about hiring the “best people” and making the “best deals.” This, though, isn’t what made America great, and it certainly isn’t what will return America to its prominence.

The blueprint for America’s success is the ideas of the Framers -- limited, Constitutional governance -- an area in which Donald Trump is criminally ignorant.
Let me be clear that I don’t want to vote for Hillary Clinton. I also don’t want to vote for Donald Trump. My preference is to write-in or vote third party. I think they are both terrible for our future.

But between a big government progressive and a potential despot -- every American must ask themselves where liberty has the greatest chance to survive over the next four years.

By the way, Trump fans, once you start posting people’s home addresses and home phone numbers on Twitter, you’re no longer fighting for liberty. You’re using implied threats and the force of the mob to bend somebody else to your will. You’re replacing forced obedience to the state with forced obedience to you.

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No context as to choice
« Reply #1009 on: May 11, 2016, 08:44:04 AM »
"But between a big government progressive and a potential despot -- every American must ask themselves where liberty has the greatest chance to survive over the next four years."

I would pick Trump in a heartbeat.  One good reason he can be replaced in 4 yrs.  The courts can be used against him as can the legislative branch and the polls and media. 

With Hillary she will, like Brock, work behind the scenes to implement INSTITUTIONAL changes, will strategically place their fanatical statist people in all important levers of government, will pack the courts with ideologues, social justice warriors and socialists, and the media will be ON THEIR SIDE doing very little (except fro Drudge Breitbart National Review Conservative Review who basically just preach to the choir).

That is my assessment.  Can Trump do great damage with some not thought through decision - of course.  But it will not be in a way that is "transformative" with deceitful and dishonest propaganda.   With him we will know what we are getting.  Big difference.   No even a close decision for me.

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The tax return conspiracy NUTS.
« Reply #1010 on: May 11, 2016, 05:58:45 PM »
What a riot it would be if Trump held on to his tax returns leading to all sorts of conspiracy theories.

Then at the most opportune time release them and they show nothing.  Just like Brock did with his long birth certificate and giving rise the faux story the Trump was one of the "birthers".   

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435254/donald-trumps-tax-returns-delegates-should-abstain-if-he-wont-release

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Yes Yes Yes again ; ONLY from the Trump campaign
« Reply #1011 on: May 12, 2016, 08:50:03 PM »
Sessions picking the Trump ball and running with it.  I know trump is vulgar, and has lowered discourse to name calling, but his theme as nicely outlined by Sessions is EXACTLY what I at least have been pounding the table here for years.  The ONLY ONE to tell it like it is.  Our country is in a life and death battle from the left that is pushing this one world nation shit down our throats.  I am for some form of trade and globalism but not this.  I just didn't hear this from any other candidate.  That is why I keep staying intrigued with Trump despite his pissing me off so often.  In the end he has the message for me.  National Review and other never Trump people can talk about conservatism etc (which I agree with too) but what good is any of it if we give our national identity.

I have even thought Sessions for these reasons is the perfect VP choice but I am not sure independents would identify with him:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/12/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-jeff-sessions-editorials-debates/84298310/

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Re: Donald Trump, China, currency manipulation?
« Reply #1012 on: May 13, 2016, 11:35:22 AM »
The heart of what Trump complains about with China is their currency manipulation.  It's perfect because it flies over everyone's head and gives us a boogeyman.  Like that one German leader blaming that one religion.

But what about our currency manipulation?  Has anyone ever heard of QE?  ZIRP?  NIRP?  (zero interest rate program, negative interest rate program)  Going on 20 years of monetary expansion?  TARP, temporary emergency spending that became permanent, totally unfunded.  Deficit spending to the tune of $19 trillion accumulated and projected to double, triple etc.   And all this is enabled by funny money, intentional inflation, borrowings we'll never pay back and Federal Reserve and Treasury collusion supported by the White House and Congress.  The Fed says they can't let interest rates go to normal levels yet, after seven years of expansion, because the economy is still too fragile??!  That is fair trade?

How about we get our own act together first, then accuse others. 

Does Trump think savers should get zero interest?

Does Trump deny that new investment (non-existent) tied to new savings (non-existent) is locked out by our wrong-headed policies?

Has anyone ever heard Trump address this?  Or Clinton for that matter, but no one expects truth or solutions from her.

Does Trump deny that labor productivity and labor income are tied to new investment - and that is not happening when an economy has no interest rate and no savings?  No.  He sees it from his own crony business perspective, just cheap money, a false free lunch like any other government welfare program.

Some of these problems come from our tax code.  He addresses that.  Some come from our strangulating regulations.  But underlying all of it is that WE ARE MANIPULATING OUR CURRENCY.

If Trump were running for 'President' of China, he could propose a tariff war against the US and have just as much ground to stand on.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1013 on: May 13, 2016, 12:47:24 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Trump the vengeful authoritarian
« Reply #1015 on: May 13, 2016, 01:13:05 PM »


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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1017 on: May 13, 2016, 03:04:37 PM »
The point is to put an end to such excrement, not make sure that "our side" gets to crap on American freedom too.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1018 on: May 13, 2016, 03:08:55 PM »
The point is to put an end to such excrement, not make sure that "our side" gets to crap on American freedom too.


Not many here consider Littlefingers to be on our side.

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Larry Correia on Trump
« Reply #1020 on: May 14, 2016, 08:00:26 PM »
http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/05/04/on-the-election/

On the Election
May 4, 2016   correia45   

Well, we’re boned. It’s going to be huckster fraud democrat against lying criminal democrat.

Half the GOP hates the jackass. Question now is what percentage of us stay home or make a 3rd party protest vote. All those crossover democrats who voted for that orange half wit in the primaries will go back to voting democrat in the general election. He thinks young Bernie voters are going to vote for him? Fool.

I’ve voted republican in every election of my adult life. I’ve volunteered and donated money. I can’t in good conscience vote for this vile populist demagogue. If even a few percentage points of the GOP feels the same way, that’s it. He’s toast in the general.

So he energizes the democrats, so they’ll feel like they are fighting tyranny (now comes the great part where all the fawning media coverage turns on him) and he demotivates the republican base.

All the kid glove BS from this season is over. Every vile nasty stupid thing he has ever done will be covered 24/7. By November he will be the most laughed at and despised candidate in history. Because he makes it too easy.

So the classless boor probably loses to the sea hag. Not that it matters too much, since they’d both govern as authoritarian democrats, only one has more nationalist rah rah thrown in.

Spare me the nonsense about lesser evils and SCOTUS judges. He won’t make it that far. And by some miracle, like Hillary has a stroke, this rambling ignoramus wins, he would still screw that up somehow in his one term. Big question is does he suck enough to take the GOP with him?

And if you think he is going to actually build a wall, you are a sucker.

Did I love Cruz? No. Because I was hiring an employee, not a god. He was the least likely to rape the Constitution. Instead we get an authoritarian, who is either lying, or made it to 70 before understanding basic American principles about liberty.

You ignorant low information bastards. Motivated by fear and anger, you overlooked every gain made over the last few cycles, and traded it in to a lying huckster democrat for some magic beans. So you could stick it to the establishment, by electing the shit bird who funded them.

Edit to add, don’t bother posting to argue. We are past that. Now we batten down the hatches and get ready for the suck. If you want to gloat, you are an idiot who doesn’t realize what you have wrought. If you feel disrespected, good. You should.

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I wrote that in a few minutes and posted it on Facebook last night. It had 700 shares a couple thousand comments by morning, and I was holding twenty simultaneous arguments. You can check it out for yourself. It is pretty enlightening. https://www.facebook.com/larry.correia/posts/1230830983594495?notif_t=comment_mention&notif_id=1462327074688692

 

The posters fell into a few categories.

Republicans who hate the guy, but who will vote for him against Hillary, because he will only probably suck, and she will obviously suck. The real question for most of them is how much is he lying lately?

Then Republicans who hate the guy enough that they will vote 3rd party for president because they don’t want him on their conscience, and yes, they are fully aware that it is a futile gesture.

And finally Trumpkins gloating. Those are especially fun because they give you a great look into the mindset of our enthusiastic standard bearers from now until November. Most of them were obviously low information types, very impassioned, but without even a School House Rock level of understanding how our government functions. Any criticism of Trump was “butt hurt” or “whining” and everybody needed to fall in line or else. I was told four or five times that I needed to leave America (make me, fuckers) and that I must be a welfare check cashing Obama lover.

Now picture the rest of the year. These are the new champions of the national debate. You think the articulate people with a clue are going to spend time trying to explain our candidate’s bizarre ramblings?  Nope. It’s going to be the folks like in the thread above. And after Build A Wall and Make America Great, they’re all out of steam. When asked about any of Trump’s many prior liberal stances, they brush that off as being decades ago (2014) and people change!

The important thing now is that they normally feel like losers, but for one bright shining moment, they get to be on the winning team. I’m sure the useful idiots and suckers who elected every populist, tyrant, and despot in history felt the same way. Briefly. Get in line, my ass.

He’s already got the highest negatives of any republican candidate ever. Factor in months of media ridicule and fear mongering, by the time November rolls around the democrats will be super motivated and the regular GOP will be meh.

Hillary is awful. She’s an awful human being and a worse candidate. Her biggest hindrance to winning was apathy among her base. Trump is the best thing that has ever happened to her. Fifteen candidates and you assholes picked the one she was most likely to beat. You picked the one that funded and praised her.

Personally, I’ll still vote, but for the republican candidates downstream. For president, Unicorn Cavalry all the way. I hated John McCain, but I still voted for him because he was pro big government, but still nominally a republican. I thought Romney was a decent man, but a squishy moderate, who sucked on key issues, but I held my nose and voted for him. Trump, lacking in all decency, dignity, intellect, and being a populist demagogue completely without principles is over my line. Can’t do it. Don’t want that stain on my soul.

For the people voting for the lesser of the two evils, fine. I can’t fault your stance and I understand why you’re doing it. Do what you’ve got to do.

In trying to think of a bright side this year, Trump’s antics might not tarnish the entire conservative movement and result in democrats winning everything for a generation… Maybe. Besides that? Well, Hillary and Trump are both really old, so hopefully their VP picks won’t be complete garbage.

Like I said last night, get ready for the suck.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1021 on: May 14, 2016, 10:24:53 PM »
Trump:

a) Good on illegal immigration
b) good instincts on limiting immigration of groups likely to contain jihadis
c) promises to announce in advance list of potential SCOTUS picks
d) though protectionist, this has the good result of being against TPP which appears likely to sabotage US sovereignty
e) recognizes that dramatic upgrade of US military is necessary
f) recognizes that US tax code is profoundly destructive, instincts are in the right direction
g) willing to take on much of PC fascism
h) recognizes that nuke deal with Iran is a disaster and that stopping Iran from going nuke is a must

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1022 on: May 14, 2016, 10:27:49 PM »
Trump:

a) Good on illegal immigration
b) good instincts on limiting immigration of groups likely to contain jihadis
c) promises to announce in advance list of potential SCOTUS picks
d) though protectionist, this has the good result of being against TPP which appears likely to sabotage US sovereignty
e) recognizes that dramatic upgrade of US military is necessary
f) recognizes that US tax code is profoundly destructive, instincts are in the right direction
g) willing to take on much of PC fascism
h) recognizes that nuke deal with Iran is a disaster and that stopping Iran from going nuke is a must

How many of these statements have been contradicted by other statements? Aside from Donald J. Trump, what does Trump actually believe in?


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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1023 on: May 14, 2016, 10:57:46 PM »
I get your point but there are some things he can't go back on without destroying his bond with his base.

And, its' not like he doesn't have counter ammo on being a horn dog , , , http://www.elderstatement.com/2016/05/by-fox-news-may-13-2016-former.html

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My conscious is clean and I am voting Trump
« Reply #1024 on: May 15, 2016, 07:45:26 AM »
And I am aware of his negatives.

Wow GM.  In the many years I have been on this thread I believe this is the longest post you have ever made.

I am voting for Trump.  Why:

Because he as Crafty pointed out has good positions. 

Because he is the nominee like it or not.

Because I believe he can be brought around to our side.

I am not going into this blindly.

I am not low information.

They did not have free speech in Nazi Germany.  They killed off their opposition.

We have free speech here.  Trump does not control the media.  Yes they love him.  They have made fortunes off him but they don't like him and they show his negatives along with his positives

He does not the majority of people behind him. 

I do not mind some populism either.   I don't see why we can not have both Conservatism and Populism

Sometimes I think Conservatism gets mixed up with Libertarianism.   I don't like the latter.  Not for me. 


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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1025 on: May 15, 2016, 08:32:36 AM »
Since I quit posting here, I have been lurking, reading the posts on the election and the candidates. Several times I have almost posted, but realized that I would once again subject myself to negative articles about Trump promoting media and political talking points that have taken Trump’s words out of  context, his history having been distorted, and rants that Trump is evil incarnate. I can go anywhere for that.

Since Hotair.com blew themselves up by going over Facebook for posting, I have been a part of www.HotGas.net  I am a featured commenter and one of the moderators there.

There is no place generally to go and have a reasoned debate on Trump, Clinton and the ongoing election. Go to The Right Scoop, and anyone opposing Cruz is subjected to the vilest comments imaginable. (I went there once and after writing about 50 words on why the article written was misrepresenting a Trump position, I was attacked in ways that would make a sailor blush. And within two minutes, I was permanently banned.)

Conservation Review? The same thing occurs. Luciannel.com? Yep, banned The National Review, pro Trump comments are often deleted. But the same happens with the Pro Trump website, The Conservative Treehouse.

I am writing this because I am extending an offer to anyone here.

At HotGas, we would welcome anyone here to pen a thought out article on your views of Trump, other candidates, or the coming General Election.  Then, we can have a reasonable discussion, no name calling, etc.

If anyone chooses to write an article, be prepared to back up claims with proof or facts to support the claims. You will be challenged on what is presented.
Know that HG does support Trump. But know this also…..over 50% of our posters and readers were either Cruz people, as a first or second choice, but most have flipped. We would be happy to discuss why the flipping.

This is your opportunity to present your views to a website that has over 15k unique visits per day, and about 30k hits per day.  Just amazing for a website that began on Feb 8, 2016 and has been operational for just 3 months.

If you want to submit an article, just send me an email, and I will get it posted as a Featured Reader Submission. Just make sure it is well thought out and not just a series of rants.

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Re: My conscious is clean and I am voting Trump
« Reply #1026 on: May 15, 2016, 12:26:40 PM »

And I am aware of his negatives.

Wow GM.  In the many years I have been on this thread I believe this is the longest post you have ever made.

*Actually my posts in debates got quite long, but the post above is from Larry Correia, not me. Though I like it a lot.*

I am voting for Trump.  Why:

Because he as Crafty pointed out has good positions. 

Because he is the nominee like it or not.

Because I believe he can be brought around to our side.

I am not going into this blindly.

I am not low information.

*You aren't, but Trump is a low information candidate. He lacks even basic knowledge of how the US government is supposed to work. He didn't even know what the nuclear triad was.*


They did not have free speech in Nazi Germany.  They killed off their opposition.

We have free speech here.  Trump does not control the media.  Yes they love him.  They have made fortunes off him but they don't like him and they show his negatives along with his positives

He does not the majority of people behind him. 

I do not mind some populism either.   I don't see why we can not have both Conservatism and Populism

Sometimes I think Conservatism gets mixed up with Libertarianism.   I don't like the latter.  Not for me. 


*I am a small "l" libertarian. I don't want big, unconstitutional government weighted against either "side". Will I vote for Trump? Every time I think no way, I see something like this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-15/mexican-president-warns-war-if-gringo-trump-wins-white-house and it makes me want to get a "make America great again" hat.*

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1027 on: May 15, 2016, 12:30:18 PM »
I doubt anyone here has posted that Trump is evil incarnate. If they did, I missed it. Trump may well win. Prepare yourself for when he fcuks us over to make his "deals".

Since I quit posting here, I have been lurking, reading the posts on the election and the candidates. Several times I have almost posted, but realized that I would once again subject myself to negative articles about Trump promoting media and political talking points that have taken Trump’s words out of  context, his history having been distorted, and rants that Trump is evil incarnate. I can go anywhere for that.

Since Hotair.com blew themselves up by going over Facebook for posting, I have been a part of www.HotGas.net  I am a featured commenter and one of the moderators there.

There is no place generally to go and have a reasoned debate on Trump, Clinton and the ongoing election. Go to The Right Scoop, and anyone opposing Cruz is subjected to the vilest comments imaginable. (I went there once and after writing about 50 words on why the article written was misrepresenting a Trump position, I was attacked in ways that would make a sailor blush. And within two minutes, I was permanently banned.)

Conservation Review? The same thing occurs. Luciannel.com? Yep, banned The National Review, pro Trump comments are often deleted. But the same happens with the Pro Trump website, The Conservative Treehouse.

I am writing this because I am extending an offer to anyone here.

At HotGas, we would welcome anyone here to pen a thought out article on your views of Trump, other candidates, or the coming General Election.  Then, we can have a reasonable discussion, no name calling, etc.

If anyone chooses to write an article, be prepared to back up claims with proof or facts to support the claims. You will be challenged on what is presented.
Know that HG does support Trump. But know this also…..over 50% of our posters and readers were either Cruz people, as a first or second choice, but most have flipped. We would be happy to discuss why the flipping.

This is your opportunity to present your views to a website that has over 15k unique visits per day, and about 30k hits per day.  Just amazing for a website that began on Feb 8, 2016 and has been operational for just 3 months.

If you want to submit an article, just send me an email, and I will get it posted as a Featured Reader Submission. Just make sure it is well thought out and not just a series of rants.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1028 on: May 15, 2016, 12:59:14 PM »
GM,

When I said evil incarnate, I was referring to articles posted by the media that have called Trump everything in the books. So I apologize if I did  not make that clear.

I invite you to put together an article on your concerns about Trump and what you think he should do and how you think he can be influenced to make those changes. Inf fact, I invite everyone here to write something and I will get it posted.

We also welcome Reader Submissions on other topics. A recent one that generated much interest was on the coming financial crisis, and how to prepare for a general societal collapse.

At HG, we are people like all others. We have our fears and our concerns, but we just want to get the US back on the right track.
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« Reply #1029 on: May 15, 2016, 03:03:43 PM »


How many times did Melania have to drag Bill's hand back to her waist?

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« Reply #1030 on: May 15, 2016, 03:09:19 PM »
Pat,  I would like to take you up on your offer sometime.

I appreciate the clarification, still this is kind of a serious charge.  Would appreciate examples.  

"I would once again subject myself to negative articles about Trump promoting media and political talking points that have taken Trump’s words out of  context, his history having been distorted"

Trump who constantly complained about the system being rigged, found out it was rigged in his favor.  Examples: things like 20:1 and 50:1 media coverage advantage over rivals along the way.

I admit to anti-Trump rants here that focused on his negative traits or counterproductive policies in my view without always mentioning his good traits, like that his third wife is hot and that he is not Hillary.  I have praised his tax plan - more so than he has.

I remember this:

"As to sitting home or voting for the lesser of two evils, I have done that too many times."
   - That was Pat, Nov 2015.
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2419.msg91059#msg91059  

That is my view today.


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« Reply #1031 on: May 15, 2016, 03:10:44 PM »
GM,  Are your taking that media photo out of context?     :wink:

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« Reply #1032 on: May 15, 2016, 03:21:09 PM »
GM,  Are your taking that media photo out of context?     :wink:

I'm sure I am. Just like the video below is totally out of context.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lFrk4PbVg


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« Reply #1033 on: May 15, 2016, 03:32:29 PM »
Doug,

First, I want everyone here to think about writing an article. We at HotGas want a place where we can begin to bring together the divisions within the Party, offering the Cruz supporters especially a place where they can come and discuss with the Trump supporters on how to change the country for the better. And it first begins with defeating Hillary.  Well, actually this is not true because I do not believe come the end of October that she will be the candidate.

As to the articles you ask about, I will have to take some time and go back and list them. But I can't do that for a couple of days at least. I need to finish a project I am working on for a presentation this week about taking some of my work products and turning them into Smart Phone apps. A new direction for getting my products to market.



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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1034 on: May 15, 2016, 04:59:06 PM »
I might add hotair to my frequent daily internet stops.

PP,

Full disclosure please.  Are you working for the Trump campaign in an official capacity?

Thanks

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« Reply #1035 on: May 15, 2016, 06:29:23 PM »
www.hotgas.net   We are not "the other site that will not be named".

No, I do not work for the Trump campaign or anyone else. 
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« Reply #1036 on: May 15, 2016, 10:30:15 PM »
Hotair.com has seriously gone downhill since it was Michelle Malkin's.

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« Reply #1037 on: May 16, 2016, 07:29:23 AM »
Well Pravda on the Hudson already has egg on its face for its hit piece on Donald-- the main woman in question says the piece mis-portrayed her and that she has no complaints about her time with the Donald.

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« Reply #1038 on: May 16, 2016, 08:03:08 AM »
Well Pravda on the Hudson already has egg on its face for its hit piece on Donald-- the main woman in question says the piece mis-portrayed her and that she has no complaints about her time with the Donald.

He is lucky this was all aired in May instead of the 1st of November.  Not much of a surprise that a man three times married who admits past cheating. owns the Miss Universe contest, claims to be a multi-billionaire, was once hitting on women.  It's like accusing Hillary of being corrupt.  What did people think she did for a living?

Maybe the personal stuff this time around will be so obvious that we will have to turn back to issues and policies by November.
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The Times link, just for the record:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?action=click&contentCollection=Americas&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article&_r=0
Don't click it; that only encourages them.

Washington Post has some 50-60 'reporters' working on similar material.  I would expect them to get into his business practices.  He already admits he had to buy off politicians to make a living; what more do we need to know?

No word on a similar team being assigned to investigate Clinton Crime Family ties between Foundation contributions and U.S. State Department actions.

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« Reply #1039 on: May 16, 2016, 08:08:31 AM »
Strange. I've been assured that there are professional journalists, who are fair and objective! With credentials!

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« Reply #1040 on: May 16, 2016, 08:45:13 AM »
"No word on a similar team being assigned to investigate Clinton Crime Family ties between Foundation contributions and U.S. State Department actions."

On one of the talking head shows Bezos supposedly instructs the WP to be "objective" and "apoloitical" .  Yeah right.


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« Reply #1041 on: May 16, 2016, 11:35:35 AM »
Want to say before being criticized that I admit taking a liking to GM's nickname for the namesake of this thread, "Little Fingers".  For all the name calling he did, he can live in that same world, Little Marco, Lyin Ted, Low energy Jeb.  Our friend Pat was calling Carly "Snarly" right from the start:  http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2419.msg91059#msg91059.
So Little Fingers it is.


Update:  I still only know one person who supports Trump without apology, regret or a lesser of two evils approach.  The ratio of Bernie Sanders bumper stickers to Trump hats I see is about 100:0.  Maybe I need to get out more.

I give Pat credit for seeing something - that I still don't see.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/27/donald-trump-will-get-more-primary-votes-than-anyone-in-history-because-more-people-are-voting/
Trump is setting GOP primary vote records.

More than 10 million people will have voted for Trump in the primaries.  That's nearly 1 in 30 Americans.

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« Reply #1042 on: May 16, 2016, 02:04:05 PM »
I wanted to get this on record, if I haven't already, before it is any more obvious.  Media seems fascinated right now about Trump's VP choice and are kicking around all the other names.   Hannity is talking with Newt about it as I write.   Kasich is my prediction, not my choice.

"Trump will pick Ohio Gov. John Kasich for VP and Kasich will accept."  - Doug,  May 16, 2016

Trump, in Trump's mind, is about what?  Winning.  He didn't win Ohio.  He has to win Ohio.

Timing?  I suppose he will pick him at the last minute to keep the talk going for as long as possible.

Yes, he could use a woman or a black or Hispanic or someone who is two or three of those, but this isn't about window dressing.  It isn't about finding someone else who can steal the show.  It isn't about having the right person in line for the good of the party, furthering the movement or to protect the country.  It is about Trump winning (period).

Kasich had the best general election poll numbers nationwide.  Yes those would have collapsed if he started to lead, have a chance to win or come under attack.  He helps carry a large swing state.  He has large government executive experience, one of the two term governors.  He comes from the group of 17 where the vetting is largely done.  Why pay your own team?  He has congressional and foreign policy experience.  This is about as opposite to a bold decision as he can make.  Why should DT let someone else's risk add to his own.  Kasich is as qualified and likable as Joe Biden, and makes slightly fewer gaffes.  His gaffes tend to bounce off.  He told women to come out of their kitchens to support him once, well he is just that old.  He won't likely be caught with a prostitute or a gambling addiction at this point in his life unless they already have that in his file.  Kasich helped knock out Cruz,; that's worth something if you look for the personal side and Trump and Kasich mostly avoided striking at each other.  Kasich can help Trump walk back the slams he made against Ohio, that all the growth came from fracking.

Why would Kasich take it?  Unlike Newt and some others, Gates, Condi Rice, John Bolton, Rudy G, etc. Kasich currently has the ambition and plans to be out campaigning most of this year -other than the part now about having Trump at the to of the ticket.   Kasich doesn't have to agree or pretend to agree with Trump on everything; he can answer the questions about Trump's unconventionality the way Priebus did this weekend.  'People aren't using the old rule book anymore, they are looking for who can set off an earthquake to the status quo in Washington'.  Trump (and Kasich) is the only choice left for doing that.  What is the better offer Kasich is waiting for if he still has ambition?  There isn't going to be one.

Kasich just turned 64, a pretty normal age for this position I would think and young for a person with his experience.  He doesn't have rap in his playlist like Rubio, but is younger than Trump, Biden, Hillary, Bernie, Newt, Rudy, Warren, Gates, and quite a few others. 

The biggest problem with Kasich is the way he has turned into a moderate in his older age, hardly a slur in a general election and the more the left attacks him for other things the more the base will like him in comparison to Hillary and Castro or whoever.

Christie offers a better attack machine but Kasich helps more directly with winning.  In a one on one, Trump can attack by himself and with plenty of willing surrogates.  All the gals new or newer to the national scene, Susana Martinez, Nicki Haley, Mary Fallin, etc. bring new risk to the equation. He can't give up a sitting Senator, Kelly Ayotte, unless she loses and that's too late. If one of them had the track record of Kasich and could help carry a crucial state, he would pick a woman.  Trump wants the questions to be all about Trump, so he will pick his Joe Biden, John Kasich.
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« Reply #1043 on: May 16, 2016, 02:30:38 PM »
Speaking only politically, Kasich has a lot to offer in the way of strengthening up some of Trump's weakest links.

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« Reply #1044 on: May 16, 2016, 09:53:14 PM »
Speaking only politically, Kasich has a lot to offer in the way of strengthening up some of Trump's weakest links.


Kasich is a loathsome turd who makes Trump seem decent and ethical in comparison.

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« Reply #1045 on: May 17, 2016, 10:54:15 AM »
See, I told you he strengthens some of Trump's weakest links!

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« Reply #1046 on: May 17, 2016, 02:36:55 PM »
See, I told you he strengthens some of Trump's weakest links!


Good point.

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« Reply #1047 on: May 18, 2016, 09:11:42 AM »
"Kasich is a loathsome turd who makes Trump seem decent and ethical in comparison."


As Obama calls Biden, an insurance policy.

I may need to borrow some twist or turn of these words when I write my endorsement of Trump.

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« Reply #1048 on: May 18, 2016, 09:26:30 AM »
Pat Buchanan is a great guy but I have long disagreed with him on trade protectionism.  Now and because of that issue he has stepped forward as a self-appointed surrogate for Trump.  In that role I post this here, Buchanan's words to distance himself from or not. 

This was on Hannity radio.  Buchanan says raise tariffs 20% across the board.  Repeal corporate taxes altogether with this in their place.  The 20% on imports of $xbillion would raise $***.   STOP!

1)  Our side believes a 20% tax won't change the flow of goods that are assessed the new tax?  No disincentive effect?  No, it is their side who denies the laws of economics.  Actually, he wants it both ways.  We raise all that money AND manufacturing here is supercharged by the loss of imports.

The fact is, the cost of living goes up by 20% in the applicable categories, whether you buy it made here or brought in.

2)  No other country will retaliate.  To the extent that that do retaliate, we will be unaffected by that?  Again, it is our side that denies the laws of economics and of human behavior?  Our side denies policies like these caused or triggered the Great Depression?

3)  Our side believes government intervention is the answer?  No.  Government over-meddling is the cause, not the solution of the problems across the states where Trump is selling this message.  A new tax isn't the answer.  Lower tax rates on everything is the answer - to the extent that we can curtail spending to pay for any revenue losses.

4)  Our side wants government to pick winners and losers and curtail individual economic freedom?  Not me.

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« Reply #1049 on: May 18, 2016, 09:32:32 AM »
Buchanan is NOT a great guy in my opinion, there have been repeated whiffs of antisemitism from him over the years.