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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2021, 08:00:18 AM »
Pence is in a very interesting position politically right now.  I am very curious to see what he does with it.

How old is he?

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2021, 10:17:14 PM »
Pence is in a very interesting position politically right now.  I am very curious to see what he does with it.

How old is he?

Pence is done.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2021, 12:33:34 AM »
61 yrs old. I think he said he is done with politics.

In a good pisition to write a memoir.

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Santorum on Mike Pence
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2021, 09:28:00 AM »
Mike Pence Comes Through for America
We were right to be confident in him as we doubted Trump.
By Rick Santorum
Jan. 12, 2021 1:35 pm ET




Twenty sixteen seems like a lifetime ago, but it’s been fewer than five years since conservatives like me were struggling to accept Donald Trump as the Republican nominee for president. Mr. Trump was a thrice-married New York casino magnate, who had given thousands of dollars to liberal politicians including Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris. Now he was poised to lead the Party of Reagan?

I had my own personal confrontations with Mr. Trump. In 2011 he called me a “loser.” I immediately phoned to remind the not-always successful developer that not winning at everything doesn’t make you a loser—that learning from your defeats makes you a winner. He told me I was “too conservative” and “too pro-life.” A few months later he endorsed Mitt Romney.


So when he was about to secure the 2016 nomination, conservatives like me needed reassurance that he would follow through on the campaign promises he was making. Much of that reassurance came in the form of Mike Pence.


I have known Mr. Pence for 20 years. He is a trusted conservative and, more important, a good man. He served in the House while I was in the Senate. In 2010, when we were both considering 2012 presidential runs, Mike and I had several conversations about our visions, the issues that were driving us to run, and the family considerations we were struggling with. Not until he decided to run for governor of Indiana did I feel compelled to seek the presidency.


We have seen the vice president’s hand in much of Mr. Trump’s accomplishments over the past four years. We saw the man who called me “too pro-life” become the most pro-life president, the first to address the March for Life. We saw it in the nomination of committed constitutionalists like Justice Amy Coney Barrett. And we saw it in the regulatory reforms the administration has made to improve the economic climate.

As a solid conservative, Mr. Pence believes in our Constitution. To him, constitutional conservatism is more than a campaign slogan. It is the foundation of our republic. If we abandon it when it means our side loses, we have lost more than an election—we have lost our country.

Ironically, it was in holding true to his commitment to the Constitution and standing up to the man who elevated him to the vice presidency that Mr. Pence did his greatest service to conservatives, this administration and the nation.

With the president 16 blocks away, threatening the vice president with retribution, Mr. Pence issued a statement that didn’t waver or attempt to appease his boss and the crowd demanding an unconstitutional solution. By clearly and firmly standing for and by our constitutional republic, he became the indispensable leader America needed.

Vice President John Nance Garner famously said that the office wasn’t “worth a bucket of warm [spit].” For much of our history, that was probably true. But Garner likely never imagined the situation Mr. Pence faced Wednesday, when the republic rested in the vice president’s hands and he protected it.

Mr. Santorum served as a U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, 1995-2007, and was a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012 and 2016.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2021, 08:18:19 PM »
I am hoping Pence stays in tune and in politics

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2021, 09:05:10 AM »
Me too.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2021, 09:14:52 AM »
Me too.

He's seen as a traitor to many on the right.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2021, 09:28:48 AM »
"He's seen as a traitor to many on the right."

my understanding from the Constitutional experts is he did not have legal authority to do what Trump was asking

I was dubious of the whole elector thing
frankly

it had no chance of succeeding
in MHO
though I reluctantly
 went along with it since I thought
  it would be good to make a point and make our position heard

Just my opinion

Pence has prove himself to be a great soft spoken warrior for our side

it is not his role to simply jump off. a bridge for Trump
   who as usual threw him across the train tracks in the end
    after putting up with all his dumb tweets and other shit for 4 yrs

   just my take
   

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2021, 09:32:43 AM »
Agreed.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2021, 09:36:33 AM »
RINOs never fight.

Except against the people they are supposed to represent.

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Mike Pence joins Heritage
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2021, 10:58:01 AM »
This is a good place for him and for Heritage.
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Pence joins Heritage Foundation to boost conservative policies

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-vice-president-mike-pence-new-job-heritage

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2021, 03:45:34 AM »
Ummm , , , wrong thread for that.

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WSJ: Mike Pence gets whiplash
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2021, 06:54:00 PM »

One novel, even astonishing, spectacle in President Trump’s impeachment trial has been progressive Democrats singing the praises of Mike Pence. “The Vice President and I don’t agree on too much in politics,” Rep. Joaquin Castro told the Senate jurors Wednesday. “But he’s a man who upholds his oath, his faith, his duty, and most of all upholds the Constitution.”

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A moment later Mr. Castro called Mr. Pence “a patriot.” Other Democrats concur. “Vice President Pence had the courage to stand against the President, tell the American public the truth, and uphold our Constitution,” said Stacey Plaskett, the delegate for the Virgin Islands. “That is patriotism.” Rep. Ted Lieu said Mr. Pence “stood his ground, like our other brave officials stood their ground.” He added: “Vice President Pence showed us what it means to be an American, what it means to show courage.”

Mr. Pence is probably en route to Walter Reed with symptoms of acute whiplash. For years he has been mocked as a Trump bootlicker, a religious weirdo and bigot. In a 2019 tweet directed at Mr. Pence, Mr. Lieu said he hoped “your hate of LGBTQ employees and students will one day dissipate.” On July 16, 2018, Mr. Castro tweeted: “Mike Pence @VP is a Trump zombie at this point.”


Recall the furor in 2015 when Mr. Pence, as Indiana’s Governor, signed a state Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Or remember the coverage of Mr. Pence’s years-ago comment that he wouldn’t go to dinner alone with a woman not his wife. Amid the pushing for a first impeachment of Mr. Trump, the media offered grave warnings that President Pence might be even worse.

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All that is now forgotten, but don’t expect this strange new respect on the left for Mr. Pence to last. As soon as the second impeachment trial wraps, he will go back to being another dark figure in a political “Handmaid’s Tale” told to inspire fear and loathing among Democratic voters. But for everyone else, Mr. Pence’s defense of the rule of law and the Electoral College should stand as a refutation of that caricature.

As the Republican Party debates its best way forward, some of the GOP’s self-appointed popes want to excommunicate anyone who worked for Mr. Trump. Would the country have been better off the past four years with a low-caliber Vice President devoid of higher loyalties? The events of Jan. 6 proved that claim wrong.

On the other hand, some of Mr. Trump’s most avid fans look upon Mr. Pence as a political Judas because he refused to act in an unconstitutional fashion. This replaces loyalty to the Constitution with loyalty to one man, Donald Trump.

Mr. Castro is right that Mr. Pence is a patriot, who upheld his constitutional duty in the face of Mr. Trump’s jeers and threats. The country should remember this demonstration of principle long after it stops being a Democratic argument in an impeachment trial.

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2021, 05:36:28 AM »
agree with WSJ conclusions
 on Mike Pence

Maybe he should run in '24.

I would not vote for Trump again unless he is last resort or up against a Democrat of flaming Romney type

I don't want to lose

again


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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2021, 02:54:27 PM »
Still can't give up the voting fantasy, eh?

 :roll:


agree with WSJ conclusions
 on Mike Pence

Maybe he should run in '24.

I would not vote for Trump again unless he is last resort or up against a Democrat of flaming Romney type

I don't want to lose

again

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2021, 02:59:34 PM »
".Still can't give up the voting fantasy, eh?

 :roll:"

no,  I am just a dupe who believes the Trump "lies the conspiracy theories" and  "q anon" (I still have no idea who that is or give a crap)

I just cant think for myself

I will be lost without Trump    I am without a doubt a Trump cultist
as are the 75 million who voted for him (and probably more votes that were erased or discarded or switched or all the above)

without him I/we might actually believe all the Democrat propaganda  and want to bring the party back to Jeb or even vote for Biden Harris or Michelle
and give my life for BLM
and the new world order
and be good soldier for them and for Zuckerberg and Bloombergs
and of course BFF with the CCP (the other ccp)




 
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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2021, 07:12:58 AM »
".Pence’s demonstrations of treacly piety help disguise the fact that he is a cunning creature of the swamp."
give me a break

Trump is the most rude irritating person to work with or for
he tweets dumb ass shit every week
never warns his colleagues
and expects to just blindly obey
like dump ass soldiers

this is a hit job on Pence

who was clearly very loyal every step of the way
putting up with Trumps child outbursts , having to answer for them daily
and even was targeted because he would not and really could not
fail to certify the electors

yes Trump and we were robbed
get over it
we were screwed
move on

if trump wants to give advise that is ok with me
but I do not want to have to vote for him again

as many people he brings to the party he turns as many away with his antics

millions voted for him - but not for him - but against the Dems

we need someone who can fight like him without the personality

Pence is good

and he could have gotten killed for all we know

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2021, 07:07:46 AM »
Political purgatory: Mike Pence missing in action as Trump makes triumphant return
As former President Donald Trump teased his political comeback to conservatives this weekend, his one-time wingman, ex-Vice President Mike Pence, was nowhere to be found.

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populist press
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2021, 07:51:27 AM »
headlines like this are just so unhelpful

Pence is not the enemy
Democrats are

agree with Pence for upholding the Constitution

https://populist.press/bombshell-lin-wood-leaks-whistleblower-transcripts-exposing-vp-pence/

populist press has become a mouthpiece for the world's greatest narcissist.
Often but not always good for future of conservatism or Republican Party

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Re: populist press
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2021, 01:14:13 PM »
Pence could have stood up against the fraud. He rubberstamped the end of the American Republic.


headlines like this are just so unhelpful

Pence is not the enemy
Democrats are

agree with Pence for upholding the Constitution

https://populist.press/bombshell-lin-wood-leaks-whistleblower-transcripts-exposing-vp-pence/

populist press has become a mouthpiece for the world's greatest narcissist.
Often but not always good for future of conservatism or Republican Party

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2021, 02:34:14 PM »
do you honestly think if Pence did what Trump wanted
it would have worked?

the "Republic would have been saved?"

How so?

he was being realistic


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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2021, 03:01:52 PM »
The he could have tried. Made the SCOTUS rule on it. Something other than just rolling over.


do you honestly think if Pence did what Trump wanted
it would have worked?

the "Republic would have been saved?"

How so?

he was being realistic

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2021, 04:17:14 PM »
Made the SCOTUS rule on it

 :roll:

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Re: Mike Pence
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2021, 04:37:06 PM »
Made the SCOTUS rule on it

 :roll:

Our professional republicans are never willing to fight. The dems always are, and cheat as well. Now with the wide open border, this country is done.




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VP Mike Pence's reasons for rejecting President Trump's theory
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2021, 06:10:41 AM »
Congress Sowed the Seeds of Jan. 6 in 1887
The Electoral Vote Count Act lets Congress think it can choose the President, but it’s unconstitutional.
By J. Michael Luttig and David B. Rivkin Jr.
March 18, 2021 12:59 pm ET




Congress plans to establish a commission to investigate the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol. We already know one reason for that terrible event. Members of the mob acted in the mistaken belief, encouraged by President Trump, that lawmakers had the power to determine the election’s winner. Congress itself sowed the seeds of this belief when it passed the Electoral Vote Count Act of 1887 and could destroy it root and branch by repealing that law.

The EVCA grew out of another bitterly contested presidential election. In 1876 officials in Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina certified competing slates of electors, one for Republican Rutherford B. Hayes and one for Democrat Samuel J. Tilden ; a single electoral vote from Oregon was similarly contested. The 20 disputed votes were enough to decide the election. A congressional commission ultimately chose Hayes in a political deal. In exchange for the presidency, Republicans agreed to end Reconstruction and withdraw federal troops from the South.

The EVCA was enacted 10 years later, largely to limit Congress’s role in determining which electoral votes to accept. Yet Congress gave itself more authority than the Constitution allows, by establishing a labyrinthine process to resolve state electoral-vote challenges. The most constitutionally offensive provision gave Congress the absolute power to invalidate electoral votes as “irregularly given,” a process that a single representative and senator can trigger by filing an objection.

Fortunately, this provision has seldom been invoked—only twice before 2021—and no objection has ever been sustained. But this year Republican lawmakers vowed to contest the results in six swing states that Joe Biden carried. Although the objections had no prospect of success in a Democratic House and those that were filed (for Arizona and Pennsylvania) were voted down overwhelmingly in both chambers, the law put Congress smack in the middle, where it uncomfortably found itself in 1876.

That’s not what the Framers intended. The Constitution’s Electors Clause gives state legislatures plenary authority over the manner of choosing electors and relegates Congress to determining on what day the Electoral College would cast its votes. The 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, reformed the Electoral College by providing for separate votes for president and vice president. It also reiterates the Article II, Section 1 language that the certified state electoral results are to be transmitted to Washington, opened by the president of the Senate, and counted in the presence of both congressional houses.


No constitutional provision empowers Congress to resolve disputes over the validity of a state’s electoral slate—or for that matter addresses who is to resolve these disputes. Significantly, the 12th Amendment gives Congress no power to enact legislation to enforce its provisions, unlike subsequent amendments expanding the franchise. The Necessary and Proper Clause doesn’t support such legislation either. The constitutional text contains further indications that the Framers chose to exclude Congress from participating in presidential elections. While Article I, Section 5 grants Congress the authority to judge the elections of its own members, no such power is given with regard to presidential elections. And Article II, Section 1 forbids members of Congress from being appointed as electors.

In fact, after much debate, the Framers deliberately chose to deny Congress any substantive role in selecting the president and vice president, except in the rare case that no candidate has an Electoral College majority. This was for compelling separation-of-powers reasons. As Gouverneur Morris explained at the time, “if the Executive be chosen by the [National] Legislature, he will not be independent [of] it; and if not independent, usurpation and tyranny on the part of the Legislature will be the consequence.”

Thus Congress’s prescribed role as audience during the process of opening and counting the electoral votes is ministerial. With electoral college votes coming from all of the states, the counting had to be performed by a federal government entity, and both the executive and judicial branches had potential conflicts of interest. That Congress has no constitutional “skin in the game” of presidential selection made it perfectly positioned for this role of official observer.

Who then does have the power to settle disputes over electoral slates, such as those in 1876 and 2020? Whether electors are validly chosen is a quintessentially legal determination, not a political one. When state legislatures select presidential electors, they exercise power vested in them by the U.S. Constitution, not by state law. As the power to say what federal law is rests with the federal judiciary, it is the federal courts that have the authority and the responsibility to resolve these disputes.

Congress should promptly repeal the Electoral Vote Counting Act. Given the tight constitutional timeline for casting and counting votes and inaugurating a president, lawmakers should enact a statute providing for expeditious federal judicial resolution of all questions relating to compliance with state legislatively established procedures for selecting presidential electors, the validity of elector selection, and the casting of electoral votes—and requiring eventual mandatory Supreme Court review.


By ridding the country of this unconstitutional and anachronistic law, lawmakers would remove themselves from the process for choosing the president and surrender back to the federal judiciary the role Congress unconstitutionally arrogated to itself almost a century and a half ago. That would go a long way toward ensuring that America never witnesses a siege on the National Capitol on a future Jan. 6.

Mr. Luttig served as a judge on the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, 1991-2006. He advised Vice President Mike Pence on the 2020 vote certification. Mr. Rivkin practices appellate and constitutional law in Washington. He served in the White House Counsel’s Office and Justice Department under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.