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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #200 on: November 09, 2022, 08:28:16 AM »
agree

""To think we could beat a stroked out person with heart failure who walks around with a hoodie and never had a real job ...."

of course I meant we could NOT beat...."

I knew we were in for a disappointing night when I went to be ~ 10:30 pm and the CNN were smiling and jolly .

Doug wrote :

"- I actually think he might govern well in a second term but we can't take 6+ more years of his lips moving."

his policies match my values
but he cannot govern well

bullying endless confrontation etc is not governing......

he never had even 45% approval nationally has he

even W back in '04 was over 50 % vs Kerry

but it may too far gone now
with all the foreign born, the ballot harvesting
prolonged election periods
and the media tech in the mix ......

I think if we rid of Trump we have a better shot
next time

new glass ceiling cracked - first Senator to wear hoodie in Senate chamber -    Lord - save us .

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WSJ: Tired of Losing so much
« Reply #201 on: November 09, 2022, 07:08:28 PM »
Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser
He has now flopped in 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022.
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Trumpy Republican candidates failed at the ballot box in states that were clearly winnable. This can’t be what Mr. Trump was envisioning ahead of his “very big announcement” next week. Yet maybe the defeats are what the party needs to hear before 2024.

Looking at the Senate map, the message could not be clearer. In New Hampshire, the Trump-endorsed Republican Don Bolduc lost to Sen. Maggie Hassan, 53% to 45%, as of the latest data. At the same time voters re-elected Republican Gov. Chris Sununu by 16 points.

“Don Bolduc was a very nice guy, but he lost tonight when he disavowed, after his big primary win, his longstanding stance on Election Fraud,” Mr. Trump said. “Had he stayed strong and true, he would have won, easily.” We doubt New Hampshire voters simply wanted Mr. Bolduc to stay kooky.

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In Arizona the Trump-endorsed Republican Blake Masters trails Sen. Mark Kelly, 51% to 47%. This is a state successful Gov. Doug Ducey won by 14 points in 2018. Mr. Ducey could have won the Senate seat, but Mr. Trump pledged to go to war with him because Mr. Ducey refused to entertain 2020 fraud theories.

In Pennsylvania, the Trump-endorsed Republican Mehmet Oz lost to John Fetterman, 51% to 47%. This is a tough state for the GOP. But Mr. Fetterman was a weak candidate: He’s a lefty with a record of wanting Medicare for All and a ban on fracking, and he’s recovering from a stroke. David McCormick would have been a better Republican nominee, but he wouldn’t say the 2020 election was stolen, so Mr. Trump endorsed Mr. Oz.

In Georgia, the Trump-endorsed Republican Herschel Walker trails Sen. Raphael Warnock, 49.4% to 48.5%. This is going to a December runoff, which Mr. Walker could win. But Gov. Brian Kemp won re-election by eight points. Mr. Walker’s flaws as a candidate were obvious, but Mr. Trump helped clear the primary field and other candidates opted out.


In Ohio the Trump-endorsed Republican J.D. Vance won a solid victory over Rep. Tim Ryan, 53% to 47%, while Republican Gov. Mike DeWine won by 26 points. Mr. Vance was a poor fundraiser. As of Oct. 19 he’d pulled in $12 million to Mr. Ryan’s $47 million. What saved him was $32 million from the Senate Leadership Fund (SLF), a Super Pac aligned with Mitch McConnell. Mr. Vance trailed in the polls until mid-October.

Doug Mastriano, Pennsylvania’s Trump-endorsed gubernatorial choice, lost by 14 points. Tim Michels in Wisconsin and Tudor Dixon in Michigan fumbled winnable gubernatorial races. Also in Michigan, Mr. Trump helped John Gibbs beat GOP Rep. Peter Meijer in the primary in the Grand Rapids seat because Mr. Meijer voted to impeach him. Mr. Gibbs lost by 13 points. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler also voted to impeach Mr. Trump, who helped Joe Kent beat her in a primary. Mr. Kent is trailing in that Washington state district.

Mr. Trump could have stayed quiet in the final weeks of the campaign except to spend money to help his candidates. But he did little of the latter and instead staged rallies that played into Democratic hands. His rally in Latrobe last week might have hurt Mr. Oz with suburban voters who cost Mr. Trump the state in 2020.

Since his unlikely victory in 2016 against the widely disliked Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump has a perfect record of electoral defeat. The GOP was pounded in the 2018 midterms owing to his low approval rating. Mr. Trump himself lost in 2020. He then sabotaged Georgia’s 2021 runoffs by blaming party leaders for not somehow overturning his defeat. That gave Democrats control of the Senate, letting President Biden pump up inflation with a $1.9 trillion Covid bill, appoint a liberal Supreme Court Justice, and pass a $700 billion climate spending hash.

Now Mr. Trump has botched the 2022 elections, and it could hand Democrats the Senate for two more years. Mr. Trump had policy successes as President, including tax cuts and deregulation, but he has led Republicans into one political fiasco after another.

“We’re going to win so much,” Mr. Trump once said, “that you’re going to get sick and tired of winning.” Maybe by now Republicans are sick and tired of losing.

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Trump on next week’s announcement: ‘Why would anything change?’
« Reply #202 on: November 09, 2022, 08:24:17 PM »
Trump on next week’s announcement: ‘Why would anything change?’
   - The Hill

The GA runoff, you egocentric moron.  For the same reason he waited until after the midterms, ... NEXT WEEK IS NOT AFTER THE MIDTERMS. 

I watched PBS part of the election night.  Their 'experts' were saying Walker had the advantage in the runoff IF control of the Senate is on the line because Georgia is a red state.  (cf. Kemp won by 8 points.)

We want a referendum on Biden, not on Trump.

So DT, just STFU for a few weeks, for the country, and for your next administration should you win.  Blow this (again) and you leave the stage in shame (again).

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MSM "Trump advisors " saying ship is sinking
« Reply #203 on: November 10, 2022, 10:25:31 AM »
Trump is raging
ship sinking

Trump yelling at everyone

always on lib stations from *unnamed " " advisers"

a high up source told Acosta or Haberman ..... yada yada



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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #206 on: November 10, 2022, 02:14:04 PM »
"Georgia Dems welcome idea of Trump launching 2024 bid"

I didn't think that the Dems trying to make the election about Trump would work

but I read that in the battle ground states Dems actually backed the Trump candidate
and most if not all lost

he never got over 45 % ever
in polling

a person who can really govern and get over 50% in this country today - not sure if possible
but we must thrive to do that.

that could be a good goal




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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2022, 05:46:41 AM »
no doubt he will announce his run

and here we go

all over again

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no end in site with the wacko
« Reply #209 on: November 11, 2022, 09:30:03 AM »
not the way to woo oriental voters

https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-turns-rage-on-va-gov-youngkin-says-name-sounds-chinese/

time for the RNC to step up
before he does any more damage to us

he will only get more crazy as time goes on and he feels like a threatened little boy

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #210 on: November 11, 2022, 09:38:35 AM »
no doubt he will announce his run
and here we go
all over again


It's different this time. He is doing all this from a position of weakness, and it shows.  Looks to me like he lost more than half his base in the midterms, which was already far less than half the nation.

Both he and McConnell put themselves above party and country.

Trump was waiting until after the midterms.  Guess what, it's not after the midterms. 

Screwing up the Georgia runoff and the US Senate, again, draws attention to the fact he screwed it all up last time.  He put self before party and country and many of us won't forgive him.

Calling DeSantis "DeSanctimonious" and taking credit for his success is cheap and petty, and it shows.  Endorsing The gubernatorial candidate is what he was supposed to do.   It helped bring DeSantis a very narrow victory, while on his own he earned a giant one.

"Average Governor"? DeSantis is an agent of change and stood up to the wrongful policies of the Biden administration.  He won a swing state by a million and a half votes - while the rest of the nation is stuck in their old habits.

Trump is not dealing with Jeb Bush this time or Bush fatigue or the label he put on him that Jeb couldn't shake.  It's Trump fatigue this time versus the shiny newcomer.  Advantage DeSantis.  Trump actually elevates him by doing this.

The betting odds tell the story that Trump already knows.  DeSantis is now in favor and Trump is tanking.
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jeff lord: why promote Desantis> The left will go after him the same as DJT
« Reply #212 on: November 11, 2022, 09:07:18 PM »
https://spectator.org/desantis-trump-myth/

some one once posted the same argument against DeSantis (or ANY republican )

this argument is  flawed and the thinking of a loser.

We need a candidate who could gain over 50% approval .  I don't know if DeSantis can but Trump certainly has never demonstrated he can.

Morris keeps telling us how Trump has proven himself.
What that he can get 45 % of the vote (at most) while only able to win if he gets enough electoral college votes while always losing the popular vote ?

We are already assuming (with him at least) we will never win the popular vote .  That is losing mindset at the start.

We can and must pursue winning
not only the electoral college but also the popular vote.

Lets start with that
problem with Trump IS his personality




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AMcC: Trump is fuct
« Reply #213 on: November 12, 2022, 08:16:05 AM »
Trump Makes His Indictment a Certainty

Former president Donald Trump speaks in support of candidates Doug Mastriano and Mehmet Oz at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., September 3, 2022. (Andrew Kelly/Reuters)
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If the former president is no longer a viable candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, then the Biden DOJ has no incentive not to charge him.
When we recorded the McCarthy Report on Thursday, I told Rich Lowry I was still pegging at 70 percent or higher the likelihood that former president Donald Trump would be indicted by the Justice Department. A day later, I’m now certain he’ll be indicted. The question is whether it will be just one indictment or more.

Trump has jumped the shark, as the kids used to say. His gratuitous attacks on two successful, popular Republican governors — both of whom, unlike him, could conceivably defeat President Biden or some other Democratic nominee in the 2024 election — have ended his chances of capturing the GOP presidential nomination two years from now. If the rant aimed at Florida’s Ron DeSantis wasn’t bizarre enough for you, the one launched at Virginia’s Glenn Youngkin was certain to be described as racist in our current age of hair-trigger sensitivity — though, for what it’s worth, I sense that the former president is losing his grip and that the racism charge assumes that more thought went into his “Young kin . . . Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?” eruction than actually did.

As we discussed on the podcast, I’d already concluded that Trump had worn out his welcome. What was amusingly outrageous and boldly anti-conventional in 2015–16 is now just tired — more moronic than cringe-making because he long ago exhausted our capacity for cringing.

What does this have to do with his potential indictment, which is more a question of when than if at this point? Well, everything.

The Justice Department would prefer to make a January 6 case against Trump. Prosecutors are pushing in that direction, but it’s a tough case to make (the meanderings of California federal judge David O. Carter notwithstanding). They can’t tie Trump actionably to the violence of the riot, and they’ve already taken the position in other January 6 prosecutions that he was not a co-conspirator, just a pretext for a forcible attack that militia-type groups were already planning. That leaves the possibility of indicting him for obstruction of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States, but such charges would raise profound questions about whether the Justice Department was, in effect, criminalizing political speech and the far-fetched legal theories of John Eastman et al.

While that investigation marches on, though, Trump has given Democrats a gift: The Mar-a-Lago documents case, which arose due to bouts of gratuitous, self-destructive behavior similar to what we’ve seen the last couple of days, is a comparative slam dunk. That’s why a magistrate-judge authorized a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago upon finding probable cause that Trump had committed three felonies (mishandling classified information, conversion of government documents, and obstruction) — based on which the FBI conducted a search that yielded scads of incriminating documents, thereby making the case even stronger.

Given all of this, prosecutors are doubtless convinced that they have a case they could indict at any time. But they have also taken actions in recent weeks that underscore how serious they are about prosecuting the former president.

For example, they gave immunity to Kash Patel, a top Trump aide and former administration official, in order to force him to testify in the grand jury about his dubious public claims that Trump had declassified the highly sensitive documents he foolishly hoarded at his Palm Beach, Fla., estate. Prosecutors hate to confer immunity, which in most cases eliminates the possibility of prosecuting the immunized person; they do it only when they believe it necessary to make a criminal case against a more significant target.

The Justice Department has also taken legal steps to force testimony about potentially privileged conversations from two high-ranking Trump White House lawyers, Pat Cipollone and Pat Philbin. (The DOJ had already gotten grand-jury testimony from Marc Short and Greg Jacob, two top aides to former vice president Mike Pence.) Ordinarily, the Justice Department, in its capacity as the chief counsel for the executive branch, takes pains to avoid setting precedents that could undermine executive privilege and the principle that top executive officials are generally immune from testifying about the activities of the administrations they served. Yet here, caution is being thrown to the wind. This is rational only if the Biden Justice Department has decided that prosecuting Trump is worth the risk of making law that could redound to the detriment of the incumbent and future presidents.

And let’s not forget Atlanta. Fulton County district attorney Fani Willis, a partisan Democrat, is working toward a potential racketeering case against Trump and his allies for pressuring Georgia officials to invalidate Biden’s narrow popular-election victory in the state. If Trump is going to be charged in any event, the Biden Justice Department will want to be in the lead, not playing second fiddle to Willis and potentially having its case damaged if her office makes a hash of things.

All of these indicators — and they are not the only ones — point to a federal indictment of the former president. That’s why I’ve rated it a high probability. There has always been one factor pushing in the other direction, though: electoral politics. Democrats want Trump to be the 2024 GOP nominee. On that score, they have been understandably confident that he could win the Republican nomination and that they would then crush him in the general election — where his presence on the ticket would supercharge Democratic turnout, raising the realistic possibility of complete Democratic control of Congress, in addition to the White House.

For all the vigor the Biden Justice Department is clearly pouring into the effort to build criminal cases against Trump, the administration would undoubtedly rather run against him.

These two possible outcomes are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Still, for as long as it appeared that the Republican presidential primaries would end in Trump’s routing the field, or at least remaining competitive to the end, the Biden administration had an incentive to table any Trump indictment. If the DOJ were to charge Trump while the Republican primaries were ongoing, that would give Republicans — all but the most delusional Trump cultists — the final push they needed to abandon Trump and turn to a different candidate, who could (and probably would) defeat Biden (or some other Democrat) in November 2024. Of course, once Trump had the nomination sewn up, the Biden administration could indict him at any time, whether before or after defeating him in the general election.

Just as this calculus motivates the Justice Department to delay any indictment, it provides a powerful incentive for Trump to run — and, indeed, to launch a campaign early (maybe as early as next week) so he is positioned to claim that a likely future indictment is just a politicized weaponization of law enforcement aimed at taking out Biden’s arch-enemy.

Yet, again, all of these calculations have hinged on one thing: Trump’s remaining a plausible Republican nominee. And he’s not one anymore.

Though it may not yet have been obvious on Wednesday, Trump’s culpability in the GOP’s disastrously poor midterm showing — the much-anticipated red wave’s reduction to a red ripple — had already turned the tide away from him. Many of my friends believed it had knocked him down to a merely formidable candidate rather than the prohibitive favorite. I’d have gone further, taking the view that there were now enough fed-up Trump supporters and Republicans who adamantly oppose Trump that he would not only lose the primary but probably be knocked out early. When I assumed he was still thinking rationally, I supposed that Trump knew this, too — I figured he was mainly running in hopes of staving off indictment and trying to get his media venture (which is facing an uphill financing challenge and a possible securities-fraud investigation) up and running.

All of that is academic now. Trump is toast after his unhinged tirades against DeSantis and Youngkin. Attacking such unpopular Republicans as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger is one thing, and attacking Mitch McConnell (or was it “Coco Chow”?) is just par for the course. But going after DeSantis and Youngkin, accomplished rising stars who give the disheartened GOP hope that better times may be around the corner, is just flat-out nuts. And nobody who’s not flat-out nuts wants any part of flat-out nuts.

If Trump is not a viable candidate for the GOP nomination, then his political usefulness to Democrats is deeply diminished, and federal prosecutors will see no reason not to indict him as soon as they have all their evidentiary ducks in a row. They certainly don’t want Fani Willis or some other ambitious Democratic state prosecutor to beat them to the punch. So at this point, we’re down to the matter of whether the Biden Justice Department can make the January 6 case, or whether it contents itself with the strong Mar-a-Lago case.

As Rich and I discussed on the podcast, some calculate that an indictment of Trump would revive him politically. There is a certain surface appeal to this view, but it is ultimately wrong. It would be right if we were talking about allegations akin to those at issue in Russiagate — a manufactured political narrative substituting for evidence. Such a baseless case would make Trump stronger, because it would be a patent abuse of prosecutorial power.

But here we are talking about actual, egregious misconduct. A January 6 prosecution of Trump might be a reach legally, but the country was repulsed by the Capitol riot — as compared to being bemused, then annoyed, by the fever dream of Trump–Russia “collusion.” As for the Mar-a-Lago probe, Trump has handed the Justice Department on a silver platter simple crimes that are serious and easy to understand. Beyond that, the DOJ also has a convincing story to tell: The government didn’t want to do it this way; National Archives officials pleaded with Trump to surrender the classified material voluntarily, asking for it back multiple times even after it became clear that he was hoarding it; the DOJ resorted to a search warrant only when Trump defied a grand-jury subpoena (with his lawyers’ falsely representing that there were no more classified documents in Trump’s possession other than the ones they’d returned); even then, prosecutors went through a judge to get the warrant rather than acting on their own; and even after the search, there remain significant concerns that classified information is still missing. Even someone initially sympathetic to Trump who did not want to see a former president get prosecuted would have to stop and ask, “What else were they supposed to do when he was being so lawlessly unreasonable, and when national security could be imperiled if classified intelligence falls into the wrong hands?”

The cases the DOJ is now investigating are nothing like Russiagate. They can’t be dismissed as a hoax. Trump is not going to be helped politically by prosecutions that most people will see as meritorious, even if the prospect of a prosecution and the soapbox it will give the former president rub them the wrong way.

The tricky question is whether Attorney General Garland will appoint a special counsel. There are reports that he is contemplating doing so, in order to give himself some insulation from the inevitable claim that politics is driving the Trump investigations. This would be smoke-and-mirrors: A special counsel would still report to the AG, and there are plenty of well-regarded former prosecutors who are Democratic (or at least anti-Trump), such that there would be no substantive difference between a special counsel and the Biden DOJ prosecutors now running the investigation — many of whom would no doubt get themselves appointed on the special counsel’s staff.

Here’s Garland’s problem, though: If he were to appoint a special counsel for Trump, he would come under intense pressure — including from House oversight committees that will likely soon be in Republican control — to appoint a special counsel for what should be called “the Biden family investigation” but is branded the “Hunter Biden investigation” for trivialization purposes. Rest assured that President Biden does not want a special counsel who might actually conduct an independent investigation of the millions of dollars from foreign sources (some hostile to the U.S.) that were generated by leveraging his political influence. Note, moreover, Garland’s repeated insistence that there is no need for a special counsel because the “Hunter” probe is in the capable hands of David Weiss, the Delaware U.S. attorney to whom the Trump Justice Department assigned the case. (Of course, Weiss doesn’t report to the Trump Justice Department anymore, does he?)

I suspect that Garland will forgo a Trump special counsel in order to make his refusal to appoint one for Biden (a matter in which he has an actual, profound conflict) appear more even-handed. That would be a tougher call if Trump were a viable GOP presidential candidate, and if there were a realistic possibility that an indictment of Trump would look like partisanship rather than good-faith law enforcement. But by his bizarre behavior, the former president has negated such considerations.

You don’t have to like this. I don’t like it. I was really hoping Donald Trump would see the light and think better of a presidential run, and that the Biden Justice Department would decide that the downsides of a Trump prosecution — the reminder of the DOJ’s comparative kid-glove treatment of Hillary Clinton, the deepening of the partisan divide over our two-tiered justice system — outweighed any law-enforcement benefits. Alas, this is not a matter of what we’d like, but of what we should expect will happen. Trump has seen to that.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #214 on: November 12, 2022, 08:29:23 AM »
the minute he announces we will

see the endless 24/7 DOJ investigations leaks reports

grandstanding by shysters

and media shysters (media burnett cooper wallace etc )

attacking him day and night

they likely are only holding till he announces

hey his announcing is great for DEms great for corporate media


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Citizen Trump vs. Candace Owens 2.0
« Reply #215 on: November 12, 2022, 09:21:36 AM »

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Re: Citizen Trump vs. Candace Owens 2.0
« Reply #216 on: November 14, 2022, 08:47:44 AM »
Begin at 02:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEeqggxG0Y&t=37s

Strange behavior by the ex-President.  Can't keep track of who is allies are.  Must feel the indictment(s) coming.

Tatum and Owens responded appropriately.  Youngkin said, "I don't roll that way".  DeSantis ignored Trumps jabs.

It's time for new leadership.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #217 on: November 14, 2022, 09:33:28 AM »
I noticed on Levin last night
they referred to the leader of the Repub party but would not mention Trump by name

Mark has been a big supporter of Trump

but I think he has FINALLY come to my conclusion

Trump will bring us down
I cannot see him winning  in '24
but of course what do I know 2 y from now

do any of us really want to go through 2 more yrs of defending this guy no matter what?
( I am panicky at the thought)

I would rather defend our principles

not HIM.

There are others beside DeSantis who could emerge

who will have much better chance of winning
over 50%

in m very humbles opinion.




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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #218 on: November 14, 2022, 10:57:32 AM »
ccp:  "I would rather defend our principles
not HIM."


I've been confronted by liberal friends and acquaintances so many times,
"Do you (really) support Trump?"

My answer has been:
"I have a set of principles and I judge these people by whether they support me, not the other way around."

One friend (wife of friend) said, name something good about him (Trump when he was President).  I said, the black unemployment rate is at the lowest level in our lifetime.

In hindsight I humbly think that was rather prescient.  The George Floyd incident happened shortly after that.  All those 'racial tensions' were happening in the context of black unemployment plunging and real wages surging.

Back to ccp:  "There are others beside DeSantis who could emerge
who will have much better chance of winning
over 50% "


I like almost all of the people commonly mentioned, just trying to sort out who will be most electable and who will govern best if elected. 

Mike Pence is fine with me but I doubt he will catch on.  Mike Pompeo, ditto.  Nikki Haley, yes.  DeSantis is the top of my list on both counts.  That is four I would put ahead of Trump, for starters.

Lindsey Graham, no.  Chris Christy, no.

The trick will be to not have 4 or 17 of them splitting the not-Trump Republican vote.

Then the hate game will start against DeSantis or whoever.  (It's already started.)  But doubtful a similar Access Hollywood tape will emerge ("I grab their pu**ies and they like it") and hard to call him an idiot with his background of Yale, Harvard, US Navy, US Congress, nice family, and second term Governor navigating a major state competently through covid, hurricanes, tax cuts, in-migration and prosperity.  And he stands up to hostile media without lowering himself to their level or Trump's.

The worst I heard about him was that he didn't want to sexualize K-3rd grade children in the Florida elementary school math curriculum.
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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #219 on: November 14, 2022, 11:09:51 AM »
"I have a set of principles and I judge these people by whether they support me, not the other way around."

THIS.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #220 on: November 14, 2022, 02:54:09 PM »
Doug,

it seems your liberal friends do not even notice his policies
they only notice HIM

he has made a point to put himself in the center of everything

as a result all anyone can think about is HIM

I am not saying that your friends are going to like any Republican

but their pure utter hatred and distaste for him are such that is all they see, hear, can think about

reminds me of a friend  at a  wedding some yrs back  , and  after we all got a bit intoxicated I thought he was going to lose his mind when speaking  about Trump.

all he could say was how he just  could not accept the idea that THAT GUY
could be President

It was a Jewish Democrat's TDS on full display - think Rob Reiner when he speaks of Trump
and that is what it was like

as for the policies he would not have agreed with any but the focus on him is /was simply a distraction

with
the independents though it makes a difference

they might be more inclined to swing our way if not such a personal monstrosity as our front man

it ain't just mean tweets







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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #221 on: November 14, 2022, 04:11:14 PM »
They don't notice his policies, and they don't notice the results of his policies, because 93% of the coverage is negative (when it isn't 100% negative) and they don't report things like lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates in our lifetimes.  Or real wages growing.

Now we've had 19 months of real wages declining.  How many times have you heard that this busy election season? 

Imagine that happened under Trump!  Or DeSantis...
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I mentioned criteria for the candidates, who can get elected and who can govern well.  Intertwined in that is, who can bring the most people over to our side - permanently.  And especially in our weakest areas, the under 30 voters and unmarried women (many of which are under 30).

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Michelle Tafoya open letter to Citizen Trump
« Reply #222 on: November 15, 2022, 05:09:11 AM »
https://micheletafoya.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-donald-trump

An Open Letter to Donald Trump
If you really love America…

Michele Tafoya
Dear President Trump:

I’m going to take a lot of heat for this, but here it goes:

Please don’t run for President again.

You probably don’t care about my opinion. In your eyes — and I’m guessing here — I’m just a washed-up, has-been sports reporter who’s got a little podcast. In short, “a loser.”

But you should care about my opinion. After all, I’m an American, and you say you love America.

And if you genuinely love America, you should put her future above your own.

You did some great things for the United States during your four years in the White House. And you accomplished a lot in spite of the fact that you were constantly fighting headwinds.

For those who are in Trump-Achievement-Denial, here’s a small sample of some things you got done:

On National Defense:

Politico said, “Defense policy documents are so abundant they could wallpaper the Pentagon. But the Trump administration’s National Defense Strategy stands out as one of the most important defense policy shifts of the last generation, reorienting the American military to confront rising and increasingly aggressive powers Russia and China.”

On the Economy:

More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.

Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.

The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.

Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.

On Energy:

You approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. You made America energy independent.

On International Relations:

Your administration brokered the Abraham Accords, formally normalizing diplomatic relations between Israel and a pair of Arab states.

Indeed, you advanced some sound policies.

But your politics were messy.

And when you were defeated by Joe Biden in 2020, your politics went from messy to absolute mayhem.

There is no question Biden has made an unmitigated disaster of the country. People want change… but not chaos.

Chaos has worked for you. You’ve mastered the art of creating what I’ll call, “constructive chaos”. When you defeated Hillary Clinton, your disruptiveness was bold and welcome.

But America is tired. We are tired of disorder. We want normalcy. We want unity. We want some peace and quiet. We want decency.

We’ve endured the lock-down state of the Pandemic.

We’ve endured an inexcusable, unacceptable crisis at our Southern Border.

We’ve endured a self-inflicted energy crisis.

We’ve endured inflation and soaring gas prices, and we’re bracing for a winter of very cold, expensive discontent.

We’ve endured the fracturing of our people through identity politics.

We’ve endured failing schools.

We’ve endured the cancellation of comedy and conversation.

We need a break. We need a break from Biden… and from you.

Mr. President, if you run again, there will be a re-litigation of January 6. There will be screaming and yelling about “Mega-Maga” republicans. There will be name-calling. There will be insults. Civility will take another brain-rattling hit. There will be more division. (And people will point to your age. You will be 78 in 2024. We have seen how age can lead to cognitive declines.  No one is immune.)

About half the country loves you. The other half can’t stand you or are afraid of you.

Meanwhile, there is a deep bench of promising young, diverse candidates that America, on the whole, may be willing to consider.

Ron DeSantis

Marco Rubio

Nikki Haley

Tim Scott

Glenn Youngkin

Kristi Noem

You can be the king maker.

You are still incredibly popular with millions and millions of people, many of whom want you in the picture — just not running again.

We have a unique opportunity to elect someone without the baggage that you carry.

In the words of George Washington, Consider Mar A Lago your vine and fig tree where you can “spend the remainder of (your) days in peaceful retirement, making political pursuits yield to the more rational amusement of cultivating the earth,” whatever that means to you.

Thank you for your attention.
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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #223 on: November 15, 2022, 07:17:18 AM »
I agree with article posted above
but we all know Trump will not listen

in same vein VDH was on Megyn Kelly podcast last night in lengthy interview discussing Trump

VDH refers to Trump as a tragic figure who has 2 out of 3 qualities to govern but lacking the third

is the problem . This is long listen maybe close to an hour but great if one is. a VDH fan like me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #224 on: November 15, 2022, 07:32:29 AM »
I agree with article posted above
but we all know Trump will not listen

in same vein VDH was on Megyn Kelly podcast last night in lengthy interview discussing Trump

VDH refers to Trump as a tragic figure who has 2 out of 3 qualities to govern but lacking the third

is the problem . This is long listen maybe close to an hour but great if one is. a VDH fan like me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305

Similarly to VDH I recall Larry Elder asking Thomas Sowell in 2016 if Trump was qualified to be President and Sowell said no.  (I posted this more accurately at the time.)  Paraphrasing from memory, a person with his personality shouldn't have his finger on the button.  Elder was stunned and after an awkward silence drew it out from Sowell that he probably would vote for Trump given the alternative.

VDH wrote in his explanation for leaving National Review, Trump has skills we don't have, meaning the pundit class and ordinary politicians.

I take that to mean, draw attention and make a point that is widely heard and talked about.  Note that I don't recall hearing a complete sentence from Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell this entire election season even though they are probably out there speaking every day.

But for reasons already well posted, it's time for new leadership.  If none emerges we lose and the country loses.  But all the reasons this SHOULD HAVE been a red wave are still out there for someone to articulate, and this ship is not going to turn around with Joe Biden at the helm and Chuck Schumer as first mate.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #225 on: November 15, 2022, 10:01:41 AM »
Agree.

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9 PM tonight
« Reply #226 on: November 15, 2022, 02:25:07 PM »
just thinking.

what when he announces
all the networks and Fox simply ignore it?

no news on it on cable
newspapers ignore  big tech ignores

my guess is they will ignore any speech but just bash his run

since good for ratings.


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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #227 on: November 16, 2022, 07:07:51 AM »
Ivanka gone?  Don Jr. gone?

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Former president Donald Trump announced his long-rumored third presidential run on Tuesday from Mar-a-Lago, ensuring a tumultuous road for the Republican party leading up to the 2024 nomination.

“Ladies and gentleman, distinguished guests and my fellow citizens, America’s comeback starts right now,” Trump told the hundreds of supporters gathered in the Mar-a-Lago ballroom for the announcement.


Trump began his remarks by touting his first-term successes, focusing in particular on economic growth and foreign policy, and drawing a contrast between America’s standing on the world stage when he left office and the debased position he argued the Biden administration has put the country in since.

“The world was at peace, the country was prospering and we were on track for an amazing future,” Trump said. “Under our leadership we were a great and glorious nation. We were a strong nation and a free nation. But now we are a nation in decline. We are a failing nation.”

He claimed that he built the wall at the southern border, even though it remains unfinished, after which he clarified that he wants to continue to add onto it. Trump suggested the U.S. should model its drug crime enforcement on China’s authoritarian system and hand out the death sentence for dealers. In the same breath, however, Trump slammed President Xi Jinping, who he called the “king” of China.

“I call him king. He said, ‘no, no, I’m not king.’ I said yes, you are the king–you’re president for life. It’s the same thing,” Trump said.

Trump’s campaign filed the requisite paperwork with the Federal Elections Committee minutes before he was scheduled to take the stage at Mar-a-Lago to make the announcement. Trump Save America Joint Fundraising Committee was listed as an affiliated organization with the campaign.

The widely expected announcement comes after a poor showing for Trump-endorsed candidates in the midterms, which weakened the former president’s status as a kingmaker in the party and the presumptive 2024 nominee. Numerous polls of likely 2024 primary voters taken in the wake of the midterms have shown Florida governor Ron DeSantis making gains on Trump, and in some cases overtaking him.

Trump told a story similar to his 2016 and 2020 platforms of America’s descent under progressivism.

“Two years ago, we were a great nation. And soon we’ll be a great nation again. The decline of America is being forced upon us by Biden and the radical left lunatics running our government right into the ground,” he said.

Some Trump loyalists were surprisingly not in the audience. For instance, Florida Republican Matt Gaetz, after urging Trump to announce his run a day before the midterms, told reporters Tuesday that he could not attend the launch due to inclement weather. Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. were also absent from the speech.

“I love my father very much. This time around, I am choosing to prioritize and the private life we are creating as a family. I do not plan to be involved in politics,” she said. “While I will always love and support my father, going forward I will do so outside the political arena. I am grateful to have had the honor of serving the American people and I will always be proud of our Administration’s accomplishments.”

Trump bragged about his endorsement success rate in the midterms, which he claimed were “232 wins and 22 losses.” However, the candidates he picked in swing states, crucial to capture in order to secure a GOP-controlled Congress, failed to deliver. The most significant losses were Pennsylvania senate and governor, Arizona senate and governor, Nevada senate, Michigan governor, and New Hampshire senate.

At an Ohio rally for Republicans J.D. Vance and Mike DeWine on the eve of Election Day, Trump hinted that he would make a “very big announcement” the following week, so as not to “detract from the importance of tomorrow.” Trump reportedly faced pressure from some associates to postpone his presidential run until after the Georgia senate runoff race.

Jason Miller, a close Trump ally, said on Newsmax recently: “Everything comes down to Herschel Walker and Georgia. And if we can pull that off, we might get … Chuck Schumer packing from the [Senate] majority leader’s office.”

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One promise Trump did not keep:
« Reply #229 on: November 16, 2022, 10:22:55 AM »
One promise Trump did not keep:

"You're going to get tired of winning!"

It's been 6 years.  I'm not tired of winning.

Yes, we won with Trump in 2016 and broke open the 'blue wall'.  We won on the economy, until covid.  We won on foreign policy for the moment stopping Putin, Xi, Un, bringing forward the Abraham Accords and avoiding new wars.

But we lost to the FBI.  We lost the House in 2018. We lost the Presidential reelection - to a dunce.  We lost the Senate.  We lost the Georgia runoffs.  We didn't identify the fraud, still.  We won Virginia Gov, and now lost the midterms bigtime.

We lost to Gov. Whitmer in Michigan by 11 points.  Whitmer wouldn't let people go out in their boat during covid.  And we lost to her.  Michigan is mission critical.  Lose it and you fire your leadership.  We lost to Fetterman by 4 1/2 points!  Ditto.  PA is mission critical.  Fire your leadership.

Look at it the other way around.  If the Republicans had won the best case red wave (that they should have), who would be taking all the credit?   Trump.  So now we hold him accountable.  He picked out some winners but he also picked out Oz, Bolduc, Masters and Walker, and they lost - critical races that change the direction of the country.  Walker could still win, and I hope he does, but he didn't win in November and Trump has been no help in winning Georgia, another state it's mission critical to not screw up.

I'm tired of losing.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #230 on: November 16, 2022, 10:36:04 AM »
"Ivanka gone?  Don Jr. gone?


   - Seems to me Jared is a very smart guy.  [Maybe] when he took the Saudi money, he was committed to not come back to politics. 

Doesn't Don Jr have marital problems, again? 

Also, weren't they running the family business - that's allegedly about to be indicted?

Very likely it's as simple as it appears.  Trump doesn't have the family fully behind this new effort.

Also possible is my theory.  This effort and this timing is aimed at countering the alleged incoming indictment(s).  Since they are political in motivation, the Mara Lago documents and the decision to put all his business dealings under the microscope, now those people need to look at the political consequences and Trump can plead the political defense.

Even Dems think prosecuting will help him with his base.

Dem leadership and Biden especially (if he is still alive) may want Trump as the easiest to beat nominee, but the people other than his supporters want him to disappear.
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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #231 on: November 16, 2022, 01:35:23 PM »
yup

heard most of the speech but after an hour got totally bored

and thought we have heard all this before

was it Fox news where they were repeating
"if only " he keep on track

and not screw it up with tweets and big stupid insults

well this time

he will NOT get that chance to screw us up again

and the Dems will be VERY disappointed they will not have him and us to kick around anymore

Dough wrote :

"Also possible is my theory.  This effort and this timing is aimed at countering the alleged incoming indictment(s)."


nah !! Trump said it is not about him - it is about "us"
LOL COL talk about shysters - he will fade
he will go further nuts when he is finally awakened to the reality
and the rest of Trump die hards go the way of his family - down the road

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election over truth can be told Wash compost
« Reply #232 on: November 17, 2022, 08:25:43 AM »



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VDH Trump High Noon comparison
« Reply #235 on: November 23, 2022, 07:45:20 AM »
this is the scene VDH always alludes to with his hero cowboy
metaphor of Trump :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxH8b0nnl4Y

Not sure to me that Trump is exactly like Gary Cooper's character in the movie but point well taken

Gary Cooper and his hero movies are some  of my favorites
  Sergeant York , Lou Gehrig , etc . 


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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #236 on: November 23, 2022, 08:11:43 AM »
I think of our troops having seen their efforts repeatedly thrown away, having their honor besmirched as racists and extremists, and who now do not re-enlist, nor do their children.

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Andrew Weissman - weird dude
« Reply #237 on: November 26, 2022, 06:53:37 AM »
"I was described by Steve Bannon ... as a pit bull," former top Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissman tweeted. "Jack Smith makes me look like a golden retriever puppy."


https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/06/former-feds-give-justice-department-a-bad-name/

if Weismann loves him then you know he must be a Dem in disguise as a non partisan
DC lawyers tell us how great Jack Smith is    :roll:

is this shysters calling the kettle black?


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Mike Pompeo reads this board
« Reply #239 on: November 27, 2022, 06:22:48 AM »
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has also teased a potential 2024 run, took a jab at the former president last week as well.

“We were told we’d get tired of winning,” Pompeo said in a tweet. “But I’m tired of losing. And so are most Republicans.”

I remember Doug posted this a week or two ago.

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Re: Citizen Trump
« Reply #240 on: November 27, 2022, 09:18:32 AM »
Quite the zinger!

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Democrats in Congress have Trump's tax returns
« Reply #241 on: December 01, 2022, 06:12:30 AM »
shysters and their accountants

hard at work emulating Lavrentiy Beri (in search of a crime)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/house-democrats-now-have-donald-trumps-taxes-treasury-department-indicates


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surprise surprise surprise Trump
« Reply #243 on: December 06, 2022, 03:24:26 PM »
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-organization-tax-fraud-trial-jury-verdict_n_638dfc28e4b09eeedb9f57f3f

ok, but now lets provide EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW

evidence overwhelming that Hunter guilty
and his old man was part of it

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW 

(if you don't have a bunch of shysters playing shyster games - Larry Lib et al.)


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« Reply #244 on: December 07, 2022, 06:51:35 PM »
What Did Trump Really Say About the Constitution?
Trump's comments were ridiculous, but as usual his deranged critics went even further overboard with their denunciations.

Thomas Gallatin


Donald Trump's Achilles heel is his own narcissistic self-assurance, which translates into him always being right when he decides that he is. Which is always.

The 2020 election had plenty wrong with it. From media and Big Tech interference to bulk-mail balloting, it was not a fair election, even if most of the problems were arguably "legal."

Trump, however, cemented in his own mind and in the minds of his most faithful followers that there was no possible way he could have lost the election. To this day, Trump has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on his claim that the election was "rigged" and "stolen," though he and his legal team tended to focus on counting votes instead of the aforementioned real problems. Furthermore, any Republican or conservative who dares to question Trump's claim is immediately smeared as a RINO and part of the problem.

Trump's MO has long been to never admit defeat. While this may be a calculated tactic to show toughness for making business deals, it is not a characteristic of good leadership. Yes, there is a long line of leaders throughout history who shared this "my way or the highway" ethic, but most of them were tyrants who always placed their own interests ahead of the rights and needs of the people.

The United States of America is not a democracy but a republic. Our system of government rests upon the populace electing representatives whose power is both delineated and limited by the Constitution. Superseding all elected officials' authority is the Constitution. It is the standard for governance of the people. So, when individuals seeking power appear to call for all or parts of the Constitution to be ignored, changed, or terminated, this should immediately raise red flags.

Over the weekend, just in time for the critical Georgia Senate runoff, Trump issued his latest 2020 election fraud rant by posting on his social media site Truth Social the following message:

So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?

He added:

A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections.

Trump was responding to new Twitter owner Elon Musk's release of the "Twitter Files" exposing internal documents that show how the company colluded with Democrats and federal law enforcement to censor damaging stories — primarily the one about Hunter Biden's laptop revealing Joe Biden's corruption — ahead of the 2020 election. Twitter's collusion with Democrats is indeed a scandal that is still being unpacked. Big Tech clearly interfered in the 2020 election on behalf of Joe Biden and the Democrats. This interference may have swung the election in Biden's favor, as there have been reports indicating that a significant number of Biden voters would not have voted for him if they had known the Hunter Biden laptop story was not fake news but genuine.

However, election interference and election fraud are not synonymous.

Russia interfered in the 2016 election, but that does not mean that Trump's election victory was fraudulent or illegitimate. Trump won legitimately no matter how much the Washington establishment, the Leftmedia, and Democrats angrily denied it as they fomented their baseless Russian collusion conspiracy theory.

It's understandable that Trump, after seeing Twitter's latest revelation, would see this as vindicating his loudly expressed claims of the 2020 election being rigged and stolen. "You can see why President Trump is pissed. He should be," argues Ben Shapiro. But his response is "jumping on a rake with both feet." Instead of the story being Twitter's malfeasance, now the Leftmedia can more easily ignore that and focus on Trump's would-be authoritarianism.

Besides, feelings don't make facts, and try as he might, Trump was not able to provide the necessary facts to prove his voter fraud allegations in court. That's primarily because he was barking up the wrong tree.

Trump is playing that classic political game: conflation. Musk revealed that interference took place, not fraud. Nothing Musk revealed shows that voter fraud occurred in 2020. None of the "Twitter Files" show any illegally cast ballots, voter suppression, rigged voting machines, or intentionally uncounted ballots. Trump has made all these claims in support of his "stolen election" assertions, though he failed to deliver legitimate legal evidence to prove any of them in a court of law, at least on a scale significant enough to change the results in even one state.

But of course, to Trump, if he believes it, then that's all the evidence he needs.

The way forward, however, is not to endlessly litigate the past as if it could be changed but to push for election integrity and better voter information so future contests are trustworthy. Yet here we are once again contending with apocalyptic headlines about Trump and the Constitution.

Did Trump really call for the "termination" of the Constitution? The short answer is "No." Trump always has been rather imprecise with his language, and as some have keenly observed, "listen to what he means, not what he says." Thus, it's easy to see how some concluded that he was attacking the Constitution.

"The fake news is actually trying to convince the American people that I said, I wanted to 'terminate' the constitution," Trump later asserted. "This is simply more disinformation and lies."

In reality, Trump was attempting to argue that the 2020 election's "massive fraud" was so egregious that it served to not only undercut all the rules regulating America's electoral system, it also effectively allowed for "terminating" those election stipulations within the Constitution. Therefore, the only remedy Trump sees is to throw out the declared 2020 election winner, Biden, and have himself recognized as the winner, or hold a new election.

The trouble Trump runs into is there is nothing within the Constitution that would support his desired action. The Founding Fathers were clearly not foolish men. Indeed, they designed a government around the very insightful conclusion that, given the opportunity, men are naturally more bent toward doing evil rather than doing good. They therefore designed a system to limit evil's power while also keeping open the opportunity for powerful good.

Here's where Trump's assertion that the "Founders ... would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections" falls apart. Of course the Founding Fathers would not condone election fraud, but they also recognized that, due to the nature of mankind, the complete elimination of all fraud was a pipe dream. Hence the justice system the Founders established in order to tackle instances where fraud arises.

The Founders' answer to Trump's fraud complaint would be consistently as it has been: Take your case and your evidence to the courts. Trump did, at least with some of his claims, and failed to prove his fraud allegations.

He then pivoted and sought to "prove" his fraud claims in the court of public opinion, where he has failed to convince anything approaching a majority of the American public. Indeed, as more investigations have been done, no smoking gun of "massive fraud" — in the sense of illegal voting or vote counting — has been demonstrably proven. Allegations are not proof. Those who originally gave it at least some sympathetic credence have become tired of the mostly vacuous claims. It's time to move on, many of them advise.

They can't because he won't. As veteran journalist Brit Hume put it, "It's one more example of the burden that Donald Trump imposes on the party he is associated with."

Again, that's Trump's Achilles heel. He can't admit defeat. Ever. He's made the "stolen election" one of the main features of his 2024 campaign platform, which is why he decided to weigh in on the "Twitter Files" revelation. No one is happier about his tirade than leftists who can make hay out of it.


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« Reply #248 on: December 17, 2022, 12:02:19 PM »
Bravo!!  you found it.
Was just looking for it again today and could not find this.

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« Reply #249 on: December 17, 2022, 12:20:10 PM »
I got into a very interesting convo with someone who works at this site.

I have begun perusing it regularly.