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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1500 on: October 04, 2023, 02:14:00 PM »
NP evicted.  Bad taste to do during eulogy.  Otherwise my understanding is that she had agreed to not do this, turn on Kevin McCarthy.  I assume she kept the office as a courtesy of the no longer Speaker.  She vacated him, lost her deal.  For once, a consequence.
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The other side of Speaker story:
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/mccarthy-lied-buh-bye?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1115457&post_id=137639221&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=9bg2k&utm_medium=email

McCarthy made promises he didn't keep, and what evidence is there Republicans in the House weren't rubber stamping Biden governance?

"promised to allow congressmen to read an appropriations bill and wait 72 hours before holding a vote.  He broke that promise this weekend."

Besides reading it, that means the right to OPPOSE it and speak up.

We won't get a better Speaker, but ... the next one may have to keep promises.
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I have been railing against the term "DC uniparty", the allegation both parties are the same, and how demotivating that is to conservative voters.  My 'proof' that is wrong seems to be aging poorly. 

Remember debt hitting 30, 32, oops I mean 33 trillion?  USdebtclock.org now has debt at 33.445T and current deficit running over 1.9T.

All spending bills originate in the House?  Republican House?  How can that be?

Baseline budgeting?  No we need zero-based budgeting.  Prove the need for every dollar spent.  Prove no harmful intended or unintended consequences.  Or get zero dollars.

If any of that originated in the House and the Senate and President did not go along, they would get zero without House approval.  But no.  We govern their way, scared to death of being blamed.  Fine then who gets blamed for spending 40% over revenues??  In "good economic times"...

This is all nuts.  I oppose them burning down the House.  It didn't have to come to that.  And when they did, they could not send any clear or coherent message why, or how it would get better.

Why aren't the crazy spenders the radical ones and those incluined to show restraint the sane ones?
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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1501 on: October 04, 2023, 05:42:09 PM »
Turns out The Hag had the office by virtue of being the previous Speaker.  When she voted to oust McCarthy, she also voted to evict herself to make room for  , , , McCarthy!!!  :evil: :evil: :evil: :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

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why do we keep seeing "Republicans" going on enemy stations
« Reply #1502 on: October 04, 2023, 08:54:04 PM »
to air their dirty laundry?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-mace-describes-backlash-she-has-received-since-voting-to-oust-mccarthy/vi-AA1hIkpY

do ever see the crats criticize each other in public ?

almost never!

I saw Mace on CNN this evening crying about the threats she has gotten.

not sure if this is because of her expectation she can raise money off this like the rest of the turncoats

rule #1 never speak bad a fellow Republican
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rule #2 never go on any station , especially an enemy one to complain about a Reblican or the party



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« Reply #1504 on: October 05, 2023, 02:21:06 AM »
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Kevin McCarthy’s Many Promises Set Stage for Dramatic Ouster
California lawmaker’s winning streak finally ran out, in fight with a small band of GOP dissidents
Kevin McCarthy, a political operator with no fixed ideology, empowered some of the populist candidates who would transform Congress.
Kevin McCarthy, a political operator with no fixed ideology, empowered some of the populist candidates who would transform Congress. JIM LO SCALZO/EPA/SHUTTERSTOCK
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Updated Oct. 4, 2023 2:44 pm ET

Kevin McCarthy has traced his successful run in life and politics to a lucky lottery ticket. This week, his luck ran out.

McCarthy rose through the ranks as a political operator with no fixed ideology, propelling himself to the House speakership through fundraising prowess and years of recruiting populist candidates who transformed Congress, starting with the 2010 tea party wave. His affable style—he developed relationships by having meals and working out at the gym with other members—was matched to a philosophy that his role was to elevate other members.

“I believe in bringing new blood up and helping them,” McCarthy said to reporters on Tuesday night.

That approach helped win McCarthy the speaker job, but ultimately helped take it from him after just nine months. GOP moderates and conservatives liked him but didn’t necessarily embrace him as one of their own. In his bid to help members, McCarthy stretched too far, lawmakers said, making promises that collided with other promises that he then couldn’t keep. And in the end, many Republicans—as well as Democrats who declined to rescue him—said they just didn’t trust the speaker.

McCarthy lost the vote to oust him as speaker 216-210, with eight Republicans siding with Democrats in seeking his removal. Hours later, he said he wouldn’t seek to be renominated as speaker, citing the headaches of working with GOP holdouts or having to rely on Democrats.


He gave what amounted to a farewell press conference on Tuesday night, running through his life story, from growing up in Bakersfield, Calif., winning a $5,000 lottery prize from a ticket bought in a grocery store, starting a sandwich business and then getting his first taste of politics. He quoted from Lou Gehrig’s farewell speech at Yankee Stadium, saying he considered himself the “luckiest man on the face of the Earth.”

But he didn’t shy away from discussing the forces that pushed him out of office. After nine months as House speaker, the same populist forces that McCarthy had tapped into as he helped remake the House Republican conference overwhelmed him after he helped engineer a short-term spending deal to keep the government funded. He traced the pivot point to a House rules package under which a single lawmaker could bring a motion to vacate the chair—which in a narrowly divided 221-212 House meant that a small group could remove the speaker on a whim.

“My fear is the institution fell today, because you can’t do the job if eight people—you have 94%, or 96% of your entire conference—but eight people can partner with the whole other side. How do you govern?”


He said that he knew dissidents would seek to oust him after the spending deal. “I’m at peace with it,” he said.

He indicated that he was stung by what he saw as some colleagues’ disloyalty, after he empowered many rebels with plum committee assignments, sought-after floor votes, and the initiation of an impeachment inquiry aimed at President Biden.

“A lot of them I helped get elected, so I probably should have picked somebody else,” McCarthy joked to reporters when asked what he could have done differently to prevent his own ouster.

McCarthy had been dogged for months by Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz, the brash GOP dissident who repeatedly threatened to try to remove him from office. Gaetz finally pulled the trigger on Monday, leading to Tuesday’s vote.


Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz on Tuesday outside of the U.S. Capitol, after he successfully ousted House Speaker Kevin McCarthy from his leadership role. PHOTO: BRANDEN CAMP/ZUMA PRESS
Gaetz alleged that McCarthy hadn’t kept his promises to conservatives, particularly regarding advancing all 12 annual appropriations bills individually. McCarthy said Gaetz had a personal vendetta, in part related to a continuing Ethics Committee investigation into Gaetz, and that his attacks were about building his own brand, not about policy.

In comments to Fox News on Tuesday night, Gaetz said, “Speaker McCarthy’s time is over. I wish him well. I have no personal animus to him. I hope he finds fruitful pastures, and I’m certain he will.”

McCarthy’s job security was always going to be tenuous in a Republican conference that pushed out Ohio Republican Rep. John Boehner less than a decade earlier, and he came into the job aware of the capricious nature of leadership.


“It’s Republican nature that they want to take down their leaders, it’s just what they do,” he said in an interview before the midterm elections.

As House minority leader when Democrats were in charge, he gave wide latitude to the most outspoken Republicans in the conference, including ones who questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 elections, protested vaccine mandates and demonized the Justice Department, and he was the shoo-in for speaker if Republicans won the 2022 election.

The GOP did take back the majority, but earned fewer seats than anticipated, making McCarthy’s challenges more acute. He won the speakership after 15 ballots after finally winning over enough dissidents with a series of promises.

Many of the 20 Republicans lawmakers who voted against McCarthy wanted to focus on the country’s debt and deficit. In the end, it was the spending bills that sealed his fate—a deal with President Biden to raise the debt ceiling in June and another on Saturday to avoid a government shutdown. Both measures passed with more House Democrats than Republicans and fed a sense of grievance among the bloc of dissidents.


McCarthy and his allies said that dissidents had put him in a double bind—spending months blocking him from advancing individual spending bills aimed at imposing deep cuts, only to complain when those same bills hadn’t advanced. McCarthy said he was left with no choice but to put a surprise short-term spending bill on the House floor, one that Democrats first said they couldn’t trust but which they ultimately almost universally supported.

“I took a risk for the American public,” McCarthy said. “Regardless of what anybody says, no one knew whether that would pass.”

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WSJ: CA's new Senator
« Reply #1505 on: October 05, 2023, 02:25:41 AM »
Laphonza Butler, Gavin Newsom and the SEIU
Dianne Feinstein’s Senate successor cleaned up a union local but isn’t popular among members.
By Michael Saltsman and Charlyce Bozzello
Oct. 4, 2023 5:51 pm ET


Joe Biden calls himself the most pro-union president, and California’s Gavin Newsom is determined to be the most pro-union governor.

This week Mr. Newsom appointed labor activist Laphonza Butler to fill the seat of the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein. Ms. Butler made a name for herself by cleaning up the Service Employees International Union’s messes in California. Now she’s poised to become its most vocal advocate in the Senate.

Her brand of leadership doesn’t exactly recommend her to federal office. Her controversial rise at the SEIU was a result of bitter infighting and power plays that left ordinary union members in the lurch.

She moved to Los Angeles in 2009 to take over SEIU Local 6434 after its president, Tyrone Freeman, was accused of enriching himself with member dues. (Mr. Freeman was convicted of federal charges in 2013.) The SEIU’s national office in Washington successfully pushed Ms. Butler as a leader despite the protests of local members who wanted a grassroots democratic approach to cleaning up the union.

Ms. Butler would soon find herself in a much larger intraunion fight. Early in 2009, the SEIU’s then President Andy Stern took control of a 150,000-member local in California through a controversial process called emergency trusteeship. He put in place a local union leader loyal to him, Dave Regan. Mr. Stern’s power play started a civil war within the California labor movement. Ms. Butler had to guard against a potential raid on her own members.

But Ms. Butler soon benefited from a union raid. After current SEIU International President Mary Kay Henry took power in 2010, reining in Mr. Regan’s power in California was one of Ms. Henry’s priorities. In 2015, following Mr. Stern’s playbook, she took 70,000 members from Mr. Regan’s local as well as members of several others and placed them under Ms. Butler in the newly formed SEIU Local 2015.

Again rank-and-file members weren’t consulted; they weren’t even given a heads-up about the restructuring until it was a done deal. Mr. Regan called it “a massive betrayal of our stated principles and values.” He accused Ms. Henry—and by extension, Ms. Butler—of sacrificing healthcare workers to her own “political needs.”

Ms. Butler’s tenure atop SEIU 2015 was short (she left in 2018 for a political consulting firm), but the state is still suffering the consequences of her actions. She is credited with securing passage of a $15 statewide minimum wage in California, which eliminated some 400,000 entry-level jobs, according to a 2017 report from economists at Miami and Trinity universities. According to the Freedom Foundation, she also raised dues payments for SEIU members while making it nearly impossible for them to opt out of membership.

The local she left behind has struggled to recover from its controversial beginnings. Earlier this year, the union was protested by its own employees who accused it of having a “culture of toxicity.”

Ms. Butler hasn’t said if she views her appointment as a short-term gig or as an audition for a longer-term job. But if she decides to run for a full Senate term, one thing is certain: SEIU leadership will have her back, and she will have theirs.

Mr. Saltsman is executive director of the Employment Policies Institute. Ms. Bozzello is communications director of the Center for Union Facts.

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why did Dems vote against Kevin
« Reply #1506 on: October 05, 2023, 06:39:00 AM »
from major *leftist* yahoo newsman, but makes some sense:

https://news.yahoo.com/why-didnt-democrats-rescue-speaker-mccarthy-173157244.html

except of course he left out what Doug pointed out:

no mention Dems voted for chaos and political vindictiveness and the media as always takes their marching orders


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Van Drew on Maria
« Reply #1507 on: October 05, 2023, 07:53:25 AM »
he is the ex Democrat Congressman from NJ who is now a Repub

so his take is of interest:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6338442723112

As an aside :

a bit of make up and hair styling and Maria is still hot!!
smart and hot ! and conservative !  :-D

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Gaetz speaks
« Reply #1508 on: October 05, 2023, 04:45:23 PM »
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Re: Gaetz speaks
« Reply #1509 on: October 05, 2023, 05:41:32 PM »
Quietly stating his case:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1709400930482000060.html

Sounds quite reasonable., but that doesn't mean the course they took was wise.

His arguments don't pass the bumper sticker test. Also if he's right, how come only 4% joined him and 96% opposed him?  Its  the money, he says.

Anyway, we'll see what comes of this.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1510 on: October 05, 2023, 07:43:57 PM »
anytime you get 100% of the crats to vote your way it cannot be good for us.
no thanks

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« Reply #1511 on: October 05, 2023, 07:56:55 PM »
Trump as speaker ?

I do not want to even imagine what a media and political circus this would be

 :cry:


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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1513 on: October 06, 2023, 06:11:08 AM »
anytime you get 100% of the crats to vote your way it cannot be good for us.
no thanks

If they don't believe the leader of the majority party should be Speaker, and that just maybe the leader of their party could, are they not election deniers?

The only other explanation is they voted for the chaos and disarray they criticize.  Quite cynical.

They backstabbed the Speaker who worked with them minutes earlier to avert a shutdown.

Most important is what it screams about our media, they won't be held accountable.

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The US Congress, next in line
« Reply #1514 on: October 06, 2023, 06:46:17 AM »
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/10/congressman-jim-jordan-will-be-great.html

Do you know that while the Speakership is empty, the person who is next in line to the presidency — after Kamala Harris — is Patty Murray?
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Bloomberg
« Reply #1516 on: October 06, 2023, 07:23:54 AM »
unusual to find a liberal crat billionaire point this out.
I have not heard or read anyone else do this.

yet of course he has to add things like:

I have strongly supported Democratic efforts to win the House, largely to save the country from the dysfunction and craziness of a party that has fallen captive to its extreme right wing. I disagree with McCarthy on virtually every issue, but in some critical moments this year, he showed that he was willing to stand up to his party’s right-wing extremists and take the heat.

or

Jeffries’ decision to let McCarthy hang himself   (why does he say hang "himself")

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WSJ: Trump cannot become Speaker of the House
« Reply #1517 on: October 06, 2023, 07:48:52 AM »
If Trump Wants to Be Speaker, He’ll Need a House Seat
It’s a constitutional urban legend that anyone other than a current member can lead the chamber.
By Michael Ellis and Greg Dubinsky
Oct. 5, 2023 5:23 pm ET



After the ousting of Speaker Kevin McCarthy this week, some observers have said the House should elect a new speaker from outside its own ranks. Anyone, they say, can be elected speaker. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene even floated the notion of drafting Donald Trump as speaker and claimed in a fundraising email that the former president “just confirmed he would do it.” But a close read of the Constitution shows that the speaker must be a member of the House.

The theory that anyone can be elected speaker relies on a seeming omission in the Constitution. Article I states that the House “shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers.” Because the clause doesn’t expressly state that the speaker must be a member, proponents infer that anyone could be speaker.

But textual silence in one clause is weak evidence. Settled practice, history and constitutional structure cut the other way. As a matter of longstanding practice, every speaker has been a member, a tradition that dates to the First Congress (1789-91). As the Congressional Research Service notes, the first recorded votes for nonmembers to be speaker were cast in 1997, and since then no nonmember has ever received more than a handful of votes in a speaker election.

This precedent bears heavily on the constitutionality of electing a nonmember as speaker. As the Supreme Court explained in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014): “The longstanding ‘practice of the government’ . . . can inform [the] determination of what the law is.” That is in line with James Madison’s view that “a regular course of practice” can “liquidate and settle the meaning” of ambiguous constitutional provisions.

The practice of legislatures selecting their own speakers dates to at least 14th-century England, where Parliament wrestled with the crown to assert its independence by securing the right to choose its own speaker from its members. That power struggle extended to colonial America, where governors tried to select the speaker of provincial assemblies to control political debate. Against that backdrop, the 1780 Massachusetts Constitution declared that the state House would “choose their own Speaker.” The 1781 Articles of Confederation, predecessor to the U.S. Constitution, made clear that Congress had the power “to appoint one of their number to preside” over the body. Article I of the Constitution, while more concise, must be interpreted in light of the historical understanding of the role of a speaker at the time of America’s founding.

Constitutional structure also indicates that the speaker must be a member of the House. Article VI requires constitutional oaths of office only from senators, representatives, state legislators and all federal and state executive and judicial officers. It would make little sense to require an oath of office from these officials while exempting a nonmember speaker. Moreover, Article I vests all “legislative Powers” in the Senate and the House, and the House is “composed of Members” elected every two years. Unlike the “other Officers” elected by the House, like the clerk and the sergeant at arms, the speaker engages in legislative functions. By statute, the speaker must sign enrolled bills before they are presented to the president and administer the oath of office to other members. An enrolled bill signed by a nonlegislator could be vulnerable to legal challenge.

Other legal problems could arise if the speaker isn’t a member. What if the House decided to elect a member of another branch? That would seem to violate the spirit of Article I, Section 6, which prohibits any person “holding any Office under the United States”—meaning certain executive or judicial officers—from being “a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.” It would be strange to bar a Supreme Court justice from being a member of Congress, but then allow one to serve as the far more powerful speaker.

If the House ignored the Constitution and elected a nonmember speaker, could anything be done? Although federal courts require a plaintiff to show he has standing to bring a legal challenge and won’t adjudicate political disputes, anyone harmed by an enrolled bill signed by a nonmember speaker could challenge the statute’s validity. A business regulated by a new federal law, for instance, could argue that the participation of a speaker who is not a member of the House violates Article I.

The idea that anyone can be elected speaker may be amusing fodder for talk shows, but settled practice, centuries of history and the Constitution’s structure make clear that the speaker’s gavel must remain in the hands of a House member.

Mr. Ellis served as general counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, 2016-17, and senior associate counsel to the president, 2017-20. Mr. Dubinsky is a partner in the law firm Holwell Shuster & Goldberg and clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, 2013-14.


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If Jordan was Speaker, then funding for Ukraine is done.
« Reply #1518 on: October 07, 2023, 01:01:18 AM »
This could go in the Ukraine thread or the Russia-US-Europe thread, but I think this one most apt.
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The things being set in motion right now could spell the abrupt end of the Ukrainian conflict. Of course, we’re not going to lean into that optimistic potential too heavily, because we all know how arduously the warmongering deepstate will work towards some continuation of their goals. But it’s still important to outline the details of how close to the precipice the situation has potentially gotten.

House Speaker Mccarthy was booted out. The two frontrunners to his position are now House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (Republican, Louisiana) and Jim Jordan (Republican, Ohio). Trump himself has now endorsed Jordan which we can only assume means he’s a likely shoe-in.

Where does Jordan stand on Ukraine? It may seem an obvious answer to some, but in fact Steve Scalise is a big supporter of continuing to fund Ukraine.

Today’s Newsweek article delves into exactly this, as it’s the pressing question on everyone’s mind. It reports that Jordan is heavily against Ukrainian funding.

Jordan, a founding member of the hardline conservative Freedom Caucus, has voted against nearly all bills offering assistance to Ukraine since the Russian invasion began in February 2022

Earlier this week Jordan said the following:

Speaking to reporters in Washington D.C. earlier this week, Jordan said he won't move forward with an additional aid package for Ukraine if elected Speaker, commenting: "The most pressing issue on Americans' minds is not Ukraine. It is the border situation and crime on the streets."

And:

"Why should we be sending American tax dollars to Ukraine when we don't even know what the goal is?

As well as:

"No one can tell me what the objective is. Is it some kind of negotiated peace? Is it driving them out of eastern Ukraine? Is it driving them out of Crimea?... So until you can tell me the goal, I don't think we should continue to send money there particularly when we have the problems we have on our border so that's fundamental.

"And then, second, how is the money that's already been sent, how has it been spent? What kind of waste is going on? Those are two fundamental questions that I think the American taxpayers want to know the answers to before they send any more of their hard-earned money there."

However, it’s hard to say if Jordan will win as some odds-makers see Scalise as still ahead for the role, with Jordan in second place.

Now the major problem is that there are only a handful of calendar days left for the House of Reps this year, and experts believe this is not enough time to create any further aid packages for Ukraine, which would mean there cannot be any aid at all until well into next year. This will be a moot point anyway if an anti-Ukraine Speaker takes charge, particularly because of the Hastert rule, which allows a Republican House Speaker to not bring up any bills for voting unless a majority of their party agree with it. The rule works as follows, as per Wiki:

In the House, 218 votes are needed to pass a bill; if 200 Democrats are the minority and 235 Republicans are the majority, the Hastert Rule would not allow 200 Democrats and 100 Republicans together to pass a bill, because 100 Republican votes is short of a majority of the majority party, so the Speaker would not allow a vote to take place.

In short, since Republicans are a current majority in the House, a majority of Republicans would have to agree on a Ukraine funding bill in order for that to even be proposed for voting in the House. And depending on whose poll you use, the majority of Republicans seem to not support Ukraine any longer.

Yesterday Biden hinted at having another trick up his sleeve to potentially get funding, but this seems like a canard or face-saving tactic. His bag of tricks in reality is running low. For instance, the Lend Lease actually expired last month, and the presidential draw-down authority reportedly has a few billions left, but no where near as much as the full funding bill intended to give Ukraine. The Senate had reached a ‘continuing resolution’ deal for another $6B for Ukraine last week, but this was in humanitarian and government aid, not military assistance—i.e. money to simply keep Ukraine’s society running, paying their civil servants, etc.

MoA again did a thorough job covering the intricacies of the funding conundrum today. So if you want more details check out B’s article. Also, this Sputnik article gives a very thorough rundown of all the types of small funding loopholes that may be possible.


"If the funding isn't there, then unless less the president takes real drastic action and wants to basically declare martial law here in the United States, it's just not going to happen," Maloof said. "If Congress doesn't approve additional funding, it's not going to happen. Now, as I said, there may be a little bit, maybe for humanitarian purposes, but I think far less on the other side of military and more kinetic actions."

But we’ll move on to the next issue.

Ukraine and its allies are continuing to scramble for any form of hope to cling to. At a new conference at the EU Granada summit, Zelensky looked absolutely haggard and lost, mentally broken—you can really read the situation in his face:

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Steve Scalise
« Reply #1519 on: October 12, 2023, 09:55:53 AM »
13 Repubs do not support

I recall vaguely he has some past problems with conservatism
I think Levin criticized him in past

that said I did not know he has multiple myeloma . That is incurable blood cancer though people can live for a decade with it.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/mtg-boebert-mace-republicans-stop-scalise-gavel

My best choice would be to simply bring back Kevin
Jordan is ok but he was doing good where he was in committee

PS: as an aside my inside source told me "no one really liked Kevin"
and the source , who is *anonymous* stated does not like any Repub candidate .

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WSJ on Kari Lake for Senate from AZ
« Reply #1520 on: October 14, 2023, 02:53:18 AM »
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To the bitter end, she claimed that the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump, who urged other Republicans to follow her lead. “Look at Kari,” Mr. Trump enthused. “If they say, ‘How is your family?’ she says, ‘The election was rigged and stolen.’” Yet this strategy alienated independents and even many Republicans. Ms. Lake lost 49.6% to 50.3%, even while other GOP candidates won, including state Treasurer Kimberly Yee’s 55.7% to 44.3% victory.

Hence the new Kari Lake, who is focusing on the issues, including the border crisis and rising prices. “There is not a gas pump out there for Republicans, and one for Democrats, right?” she said. “There’s not an inflation rate for Republicans, and then a separate one for Democrats. All Arizonans are feeling the stress of Biden’s reckless spending.”

Ms. Lake’s edge hasn’t been dulled: She told the crowd that she misses Mr. Trump’s mean tweets, poked the “fake news fools” covering her speech, and promised to “stop the push toward communism.” But her few nebulous lines about election integrity almost could have been uttered by any other Republican official, say, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

“I am never going to walk away from the fight to restore honest elections,” Ms. Lake said. “I’m never going to stop until every voter feels confident that their one legal vote counts.”

The Arizona Senate race is difficult to handicap, since it’s likely to be a three-way contest. The incumbent, Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, left the Democrats to become an independent. She’s being attacked from the left by Rep. Ruben Gallego, the probable Democratic nominee. Normally this split would redound to the GOP’s benefit, except that Ms. Lake is so polarizing. Ms. Sinema is probably hoping that she can run up the center if Ms. Lake gets the Republican nod.

The GOP should have a good shot at retaking the Senate in 2024, given a favorable map and an unpopular Democratic President. But Republicans have a history of picking unelectable candidates. Primary voters might be rolling the dice if they renominate figures that the general electorate has rejected previously.

That goes for Ms. Lake, but also Montana Rep. Matt Rosendale, who might seek a rematch against Sen. Jon Tester, after losing handily to him in 2018. As the current mess in choosing another House Speaker shows, never underestimate the ability of Republicans to commit electoral suicide.

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Real Clear Politics on Senate races so far
« Reply #1521 on: October 14, 2023, 07:18:09 AM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/

none on Lake yet

agree with toning down the election rheteric (agree election rigged - but enough making it a stink)

none on Rosendale  yet - who needs to be replaced by R's in Montana - will he be challenged ?

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Re: The US Congress; Speaker Tom Emmer?
« Reply #1522 on: October 19, 2023, 06:58:17 AM »
First, how did 'freedom caucus' become a political slur?  As the Jim Jordan idea fizzles, Republicans are running out of names.

Rep Tom Emmer R-MN is majority whip, 3rd in leadership before the overthrow. 

The mutineers apparently don't accept him because of his ties to McCarthy but they are crazy to think that.  He is the right amount of conservative for this time and for that body.

I'm conflicted on it because I hate to see a great, local guy become the next victim of the circular firing squad.  And he would become the next hate target for the Left.

In 2010 he was 1/2 a percent from being MN governor.  That would have been an incredible shift of direction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Emmer

Right now he has a safe district, representative for life if he wants it.  Two things suck in that job being one of 435.
Serving in the minority, and serving in this majority.

Too bad Republicans didn't win what they should have in 2022.  Looks like they want to do worse in 2024.
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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1523 on: October 19, 2023, 07:45:12 AM »
Too bad Republicans didn't win what they should have in 2022.  Looks like they want to do worse in 2024.

Matt Gaetz - hero to the Democrats .

 :x

Why?   cry:

   

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US House Speaker, John Solomon, 4 paths, ends with Emmer
« Reply #1524 on: October 20, 2023, 06:22:49 AM »
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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1525 on: October 20, 2023, 11:23:27 AM »
I am not clear how the Dems always succeed in getting the majority votes every time,

and we cannot do so.

   
I can't believe it was something so magical about Pelosi

something more about their party loyalty ideology I wonder.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1526 on: October 20, 2023, 11:59:29 AM »
Gerrymandering has a lot to do with it.  As Pelosi said about AOC's district-- "A Dem glass of water could win there."

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1527 on: October 20, 2023, 12:22:53 PM »
both sides gerrymander though

I did quick search and most of the comments come from LEFT wing outlets so hard to be sure of the truth

but this comes up

NC is # uno for most gerrymandered disctricts:

https://rantt.com/the-top-10-most-gerrymandered-states-in-america

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1528 on: October 20, 2023, 01:49:50 PM »
Back when I was running for Congress for the Libertarian Party, the WSJ regularly reported that the incumbency rate was 998+%.

I used this to good effect in my campaigns.

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Re: US House Speaker, John Solomon, 4 paths, ends with Emmer
« Reply #1529 on: October 21, 2023, 07:00:36 AM »
John Solomon at Just the News, famous people caught reading the forum:

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/four-possible-paths-breaking-house-gop-logjam-and-selecting-next-speaker


Oops, Trump and a number of Republican members of the House say no to Emmer.

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trump-opposes-gop-whip-emmer-speaker-report

I guess we get no speaker.

Emmer said Trump meddling in Congressional 2022 primaries was not helpful.  True. 

Loyalty over winning and governing.
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ccp:  "I am not clear how the Dems always succeed in getting the majority votes every time,"

(Doug)  I don't know how but they did.

My (self described) 'moderate' Democrat Congressman, Dean Phillips, Jewish, and one of the richest members of Congress, has an identical voting record to Somalian American Ilhan Omar, Palestine supporter, Jew hater.  "It's the Benjamins Baby."  And both identical to Nancy Pelosi.

Democrats have their differences, big ones, but they all come together in their hatred of Republicans.

Only 8 Republicans voted to vacate McCarthy from the Speakership, but ALL Democrats supported it.  Why does a so clled 'no labels' guy, part of the 'problem solvers' caucus vote to oust Kevin McCarthy?  Because of the objections the 8 Republicans had?  No.  He prefers chaos to governance.  He prefers a vacated chair to the tradition of the Speaker going to majority leader of the majority.  He prefers helping Republicans look bad to government getting funded.  Mostly, he is not going to be the one to buck the party.  But now he tours the country preparing to be an alternative to Biden.  Will tell us how he works cross the aisle.  What utter BS.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/13/dean-phillips-new-hampshire-dems-00121555
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/20/democrat-dean-phillips-new-hampshire-00122821

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Re: The US Congress; Speaker, Byron Donalds
« Reply #1530 on: October 21, 2023, 07:09:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxoMFCxqNk

Byron Donalds a year ago.

He has a great presentation, "clean and articulate".

(I disagree with him on one technical point, "trickle down economics", but he is young, hopefully willing to learn.)

Elect someone.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1531 on: October 21, 2023, 07:57:00 AM »
he is running for speaker

saw him on Newsmax last night

like his style but is he ready for speaker - don't know.

he seems a bit like a prodigy.......very talented

and lets face it - to have a black man lead Congress would be fantastic for the party and us
welcome to all who come to our side.  we are all Americans!
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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1532 on: October 21, 2023, 01:54:20 PM »
I have liked him every time I have seen him on FOX.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1534 on: October 22, 2023, 04:00:19 PM »
Loathe her as I do, I cannot say this particular piece impresses me much at all.

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US Congress; House, Speaker, Bryon Donalds
« Reply #1535 on: October 23, 2023, 08:10:58 AM »
https://tippinsights.com/byron-donalds-would-make-an-excellent-speaker/

After all the drama, it would be nice if they hit a home run.

Should have replaced McConnell, not McCarthy.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1536 on: October 23, 2023, 08:23:40 AM »
That was well written with nuance that resonates with me.

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« Reply #1537 on: October 23, 2023, 08:26:06 AM »
agree

my only question is his stance on Ukraine

I have been on the fence with Ukraine from the beginning but lean towards the benefit continued support outweighing risks.


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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1538 on: October 23, 2023, 09:32:18 AM »
There isn't going to be a speaker who is 'right' on Ukraine when half the caucus want to fund it and have don't.

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1539 on: October 23, 2023, 08:36:04 PM »
Trump backs Tom Emmer (sort of).  Kevin McCarthy backs Emmer.  How many wings of the Republican Party are there?  Let's get this done.

https://youtu.be/XWZyLuhADL8?si=L8zDCmlped9rFI4j
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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1540 on: October 23, 2023, 09:34:06 PM »
retired Congressman King was on O'Reilly this evening.

he stated he has contacts with members and they report to him there is NO end in sight.

and they do not know how this will ever get this done.

he thought Gaetz was more or less clown when he knew him
and still cannot believe this guy single handedly (almost) took down a speaker for the first time in history

so here is where our party is.

 :x

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« Reply #1541 on: October 24, 2023, 03:24:12 AM »
"my only question is his stance on Ukraine"

Is that the job of the Speaker?

"I have been on the fence with Ukraine from the beginning but lean towards the benefit continued support outweighing risks."

Agree.

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Tom Emmer
« Reply #1542 on: October 24, 2023, 11:17:53 AM »
https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/tom-emmer/

Liberty score total is 69%

Something about Minnesota .........

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Kari Lake responds to WSJ
« Reply #1543 on: October 24, 2023, 02:20:34 PM »
Kari Lake Responds on Her New Campaign Theme


Kudos to the editorial board for recognizing my focus on fighting Bidenflation and the Democrats’ reckless border policies in my run for U.S. Senate, albeit in a backhanded manner (“Kari Lake Quits Stopping the Steal,” Oct. 14). Our campaign, which is unifying the Republican Party in Arizona and attracting independents sick of President Biden’s failures, provides a roadmap for U.S. Senate candidates around the country: Pair conservative outsider candidates with common-sense solutions for fixing our economy, securing the border and restoring energy independence.

I encourage the editorial board to focus on how Arizona is likely to be the difference between a Republican-controlled U.S. Senate and one that is controlled by Sen. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats. Surely a Senate majority that believes in like-minded policies takes priority over disagreements we may have had in the past. The alternative, leaving Mr. Schumer in charge, is a gamble I am not willing to take.

Kari Lake

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Ms. Lake is a candidate for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in Arizona. She was the Republican candidate for governor of Arizona in 2022.


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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1545 on: October 25, 2023, 04:03:59 PM »
word in Louisiana and DC is he is a great guy

the LEFT is already attacking him

Dana Bash already attacking him for being ELECTION DENIER !!! 

so he must be good.

liberty score 73%

Mccarthy was only 54%

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Re: why did Dems vote against Kevin
« Reply #1546 on: October 25, 2023, 04:20:25 PM »
from major *leftist* yahoo newsman, but makes some sense:

https://news.yahoo.com/why-didnt-democrats-rescue-speaker-mccarthy-173157244.html

except of course he left out what Doug pointed out:

no mention Dems voted for chaos and political vindictiveness and the media as always takes their marching orders

Now how does it look.  They took out a Speaker who just made a budget spending bill with Democrats and now they get someone more conservative with unanimous party support.

Who is the stupid party now?    (Both?)

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Re: The US Congress; Congressional races
« Reply #1547 on: October 25, 2023, 06:03:56 PM »
Saw a Bloomberg piece (eye roll) on my phone that left me liking him.

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Speaker Mike Johnson
« Reply #1548 on: October 26, 2023, 10:53:30 AM »
Saw a Bloomberg piece (eye roll) on my phone that left me liking him.

That time he put Eric Swalwwll in his place:




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Mike Johnson wants to cut Medicare/SS etc
« Reply #1549 on: October 26, 2023, 02:56:24 PM »
so the LEFT hit mob is going at it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-mike-johnson-has-said-about-cutting-social-security/ar-AA1iU4UG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=aa1438fec9204fa8b2f3933d6589755f&ei=6


ME:
Instead of needed and necessary cuts to keep these programs solvent
and the country from going broker than it already is.