President Trump

[ppulatie]

Donald's new Bush Instagram ad.

https://instagram.com/p/7YV_u_mhWB/

Not even a contest between the two on who is better at the ads.

[Crafty_Dog]

Gotta give the man that!

OTOH concerns remain , , ,

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/08/donald-trump-and-the-war-on-the-brains-of-the-right/

[Crafty_Dog]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/08/trump-says-training-at-his-prep-school-was-better-than-what-military-members-get/

[ppulatie]

So according to Tracinski, I am an "unthinking man". Must add that to the list of names I am being called. And also Trumpenproletariat.

Tracinski knocks Trump's comment about finding out once he takes office. The truth is that once every president takes office, they are briefed on different things and their entire world view quickly changes. Happened to Reagan all the way through Obama.  If Tracinski does not understand that, then maybe he is the "unthinking man".

As to those who write for The Federalist, and the implication that Federalists are conservative, what a bunch of b.s. I would recommend that people read the writings of The Federalist Papers and then read the writings of the Anti-Federalists. The Anti-Federalists literally predicted what would happen in the Judiciary, Executive and Legislative branches over the years and to the extent that we see their predictions born out today.

Federalists were for greater government power over the states when the Constitution. They were not for a lesser government.

[DougMacG]

I'm guessing you're not a typical Trump supporter - or anything else that starts with 'typical'.  )    When I sided with Dick Cheney about deposing a genocidal dictator in Iraq I was supposedly in bed with Haliburton and big oil and yet oddly I never received the payoff.

Even if they change when they get to office, we get to vet them the best we can in advance.  He may change, but from what to what, we would like to know.  He won't likely get to office if he doesn't first show interest in some of the minutia of foreign policy.

So far we have identified more examples of Trump favoring greater government power than we have for The Federalist.

[DougMacG]

Jumping on the Krugman bandwagon, Elizabeth Warren is endorsing Trump's tax plan.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/08/elizabeth_warren_donald_trump_and_i_both_agree_there_ought_to_be_more_taxation_of_the_billionaires.html

Calling him out on his generalities is how we pursue specifics and clarity.

[ppulatie]

Doug,

You really need to read the Section on Taxes in his book, Time to Get Tough. It spells out his thoughts on taxation. He cites:

The problems with High Corporate Taxes and overseas issues.

Hidden taxes that the consumer pays.

How when taxes increase, the smart people turn to Tax Free Bonds and Tax Free Havens for investments.

Eliminate the Death Tax

Lower Tax Rates on Capital Gains and Dividends and keep at 15%

Lower Tax Rates on Corporations to 0

For companies who outsource to other countries, 20%  tax rate. If they return, 0%

Imports get hit with a 20% "tax".

For the Income Tax:

Up to $30k, 1%
From $30k to $100k, 5%
From $100k to $1m, 10%
Over $1m, 15%

After that, he writes about reducing the size of government.

Bet you have never seen this info posted anywhere. That is because the media is lazy and also supports big government.

Hmmm, since both Krugman and Warren support Trump's Tax Plan, perhaps someone should now start saying that they agree with Trump on these issues.  But, not gonna happen.

[ppulatie]

Doug,

When you say that you guess I am "not a typical Trump supporter", it appears that you may have a misconception of Trump supporters.  The media and pundits are trying to promote this theme, but it is not true.

Trump supporters  are all across the spectrum. The common factor is that they are fed up with DC politicians and the lies. They are looking for answers to the many problems, beginning with Immigration and going from there.

[Crafty_Dog]

Pat:

You forgot to mention his 14% "wealth tax" , , ,

[ppulatie]

That is not in the book. Of course, it was proposed in 1999. Perhaps he has changed his mind on it.

As to the hedge funds, he makes a very good point on the "interest carried" issue. I am not a tax guy so I do not understand all the details, but one Tax Attorney I work with says it is a major issue, and he has no problems with going after the hedge funds on it.  He also likes all the other reform proposals.  Perhaps it is because he is also ready to retire so he does not need to worry about a future loss of income.

[DougMacG]

I really just meant that no one is a typical Trump or anything else supporter, not that the others are illiterate.  

"Trump supporters are all across the spectrum. The common factor is that they are fed up with DC politicians and the lies. They are looking for answers to the many problems, beginning with Immigration and going from there."

Agreed.

"Eliminate the Death Tax
Lower Tax Rates on Capital Gains and Dividends and keep at 15%
Lower Tax Rates on Corporations to 0
For companies who outsource to other countries, 20%  tax rate. If they return, 0%
Imports get hit with a 20% "tax".
For the Income Tax:
Up to $30k, 1%
From $30k to $100k, 5%
From $100k to $1m, 10%
Over $1m, 15%
After that, he writes about reducing the size of government."

Mostly looks great.  But not the import tax.  

"Bet you have never seen this info posted anywhere. That is because the media is lazy and also supports big government."

No.  We haven't heard about this because he's not running (so far) on this platform.  The plan he has coming out won't be this plan, I predict.

I wonder what the static-CBO says about taxing everyone near the median at 5% and most of the top 1% at 10%.  Which programs and departments will he cut and eliminate to balance this - and get elected?

[ppulatie]

This was in the updated Time to Get Tough that came out Aug 31. Will see if I can get a copy of it.

This is all a part of negotiations. Put out for consumption the most outrageous plan, let the opposition puke on the demands, and then work out a reasonable settlement. Heck, I did it all the time when I was in sales.

[DougMacG]

...
This is all a part of negotiations. Put out for consumption the most outrageous plan, let the opposition puke on the demands, and then work out a reasonable settlement. Heck, I did it all the time when I was in sales.

True that a tax plan will have to go into negotiations with the new House and Senate for any winning candidate.   If this is not the Trump plan, then we still don't know the plan.

If the plan is "outrageous" or preposterous, the candidate will have to explain why he/she is blowing open a new deficit or closing half the government.  The rules of the game, at least for the others, are that they have to explain how, if passed, their plan would work and make us better off than under the status quo and opponents' plan.

[ppulatie]

http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2015/09/05/trump-plans-crack-down-on-muslim-immigration/][url]http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2015/09/05/trump-plans-crack-down-on-muslim-immigration/[/url]

This should disprove any pundits who claims that Trump will bring in large numbers of Syria refugees and especially Muslims.

[DougMacG]

Add Glenn Beck to the list of conservatives who are not buying the Trump product. 
Ripping Trump on radio this morning.  Considers it brilliant of Ted Cruz to invite Trump to share the same stage yesterday.
Trump brought in the cameras and attention.  People saw one candidate full of himself and the other focused, prepared and on-message.

Is Beck secretly part of the GOP establishment?  lol.

http://www.glennbeck.com/ 
http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/09/08/glenns-co-host-predicts-when-trumps-campaign-will-meet-its-demise/
http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/08/25/glenn-to-trump-stop-demonizing-the-companies-and-start-fixing-the-problems/

[ppulatie]

Beck "yawn".  Grew tired of him years ago.

[ccp]

Listening to Geraldo this AM (heck I was in the car and bored) callers to his show did wish Trump would tone down the name calling.  One said he prefers a gentleman and not someone with 5th grade talk.  

Geraldo I think hit it squarly on the mark.  His response was that those of us on the right (and left apparantly too) are not looking for humility.  The conservatives have had enough of humility.  We are looking for a strong leader who will fight back.

Just like the Left has decided honesty, truth, and the people of the US do not matter as much as their political agenda, the right will throw out humility in order to win.

Trump is at least honest.

As for the comment about Fiorna's face:
 First didn't he say this behind the scenes?  If so what is the big deal?  
 Second I happen to agree with him.  I've seen pictures of her that make me cringe.  At one point I thought she was a shoe in for the Joker.

[Crafty_Dog]

Trump's comment this morning was that people insult his hair, so what's the problem?

[ppulatie]

I thought I would wait to respond until someone else did. Otherwise I would not want to wear out my welcome.

Trump was in a private office with friends and campaign people watching tv. When others came on ahead of Carly, he made comments on them as well. The Rolling Marshmellow reporter was present in the office and was doing an article about Trump. He heard the comment and wrote about it.

The article was actually pretty good for the Rolling Marshmellow. It gave some good points on Trump, but every so often, there was the dig put in.

For the critics, what is not mentioned is that Carly attacked Trump first, complaining about his hair and whatever......(slipped that one in nicely.) Actually, this "attack" was not a publicized "attack" until the reporter wrote about it. So I would not consider that an attack.

As to the critics, who the hell has never made the same type of comments, especially about Piano Legs Hillary? Heck, women can be the worst offenders. And when I look at Carly, I see horse face John Kerry's younger sister staring back at me.  Could not imagine waking up to her and feeding her oats each morning. Riding her would be even worse.

[DougMacG]

Trump's comment this morning was that people insult his hair, so what's the problem?

Classic Trump non-apology.

Trump's wife (roughly the age of Donald Jr.) is better looking than Fiorina - in her 60s.  So he should continue being husband to Mrs. Trump.  What does that have to do with wanting to be President?

Trump trivializes the process.  He'll learn about security threats after the election, if then.  He may just choose the best staff to do it.  He is all over the map on economic issues.  What he knows for sure is that he is the best.  What I know from that is Trump should vote for Trump.

The man we will choose for the next generation to look up to as a model of success and leadership has 4 bankruptcies, and 5 children with 3 different women.

Where's the beef?
-------------------------------------

"Who the hell has never made the same type of comments, especially about Piano Legs Hillary? Heck, women can be the worst offenders. And when I look at Carly, I see horse face John Kerry's younger sister staring back at me.  Could not imagine waking up to her and feeding her oats each morning."

I have written about Hillary's looks, paused while writing knowing it was out of line, and know that I'm not running for President.  This isn't an isolated slip up; it is the core of his strategy.

[ppulatie]

Doug,

They were casinos and were Chp 11, designed to restructure and to eliminate debt. Two were in 91 and 92, another in 2004 and then 2009.

I remember going to Vegas in 2000, and one of the newly built casinos, open only a year, was already in bk.  Casinos can be a really risky business.

Companies go BK 11 all the time. Changing economic conditions can easily cause it.

[ppulatie]

Bobby Jindal going after Trump today. 1% support? Just trying to get some publicity for a floundering campaign.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bobby-jindal-calls-trump-unstable-narcissist-n425071

Caveat: I do like some of Jindal's positions, but he hasn't got a chance. Get the hell out along with the other losers.

[ccp]

PP,
FWIW I would trivialize some of the slurs that Trump comes out with.

Many people including myself do, and in my opinion rightfully so have to stand back with some reservation about Trump's temperament.
One of my patients said in the same sentence, "I like Trump but it's just that we will be at war in 15 minutes".
Clearly many other people are just a wee bit scared frankly of the extremism of his temperament.

Jindal makes a fair point.  And Rush was reading the article today on his show.  I did not hear the later portion of his show but it sounded to me that Rush thought Jindal makes fair points.

Are YOU 100% comfortable with Trump's hand on the nuclear button?
 

[ppulatie]

CCP,

The "hand on the button" argument was brought out against Goldwater, Reagan, and so many others. Nothing happened.

Nuclear launch is more than just the President pushing the button at his whim. It, like all things nuclear, require a two man permissive action link. In the case of the President, another Nuclear Launch Code yielder must confirm the action if Trump wanted weapons free. If the others, including SecDef, the Joints Chief, NSA are against the action, nothing is going to occur.

One just not make the decision to press the button. It requires a full assessment of the situation, and agreement that the action must be taken by at least more than one person. For a nuke to be fired, things would have gone to hell in a basket and the circumstances to warrant it would be highly visible.

Now, if the President went nutso, the others would know this and would not approve the launch. This is especially true if circumstances did not warrant the action.

So no, this is not a problem for me, as it would not have been with me on Bush 43 after 9-11. In fact, I don't think that I would have been concerned with any President we have had, and I cannot think of any candidates either, except for perhaps Lyndon LaRouche, who had no chance.

Hmmm, maybe Slim Pickens.....but he would hitch a ride on the bomb.

[ccp]

"FWIW I would trivialize some of the slurs that Trump comes out with."

Sorry I meant I would NOT trivialize....

PP,   we will see over time how Trump does.  I like him overall, but many people are concerned about him.

The more he keeps up the name  calling the more people question him IMO as right for the job as leader of the free world.

I am not used to or expect to see this from someone I want as a role model.  Yet I like everything else so far.

[ppulatie]

CCP,

Are you from New York? Ever know a New Yorker?  All I have ever met are like Trump. Attack them and they attack back.

BTW, Trump had the perfect response to Jindall. 

Not worth responding to someone with less than 1% of the vote.   (Then the sound of a slap in the face with a fish.)

[ccp]

"Are you from New York? Ever know a New Yorker?  All I have ever met are like Trump. Attack them and they attack back."

I am from New Jersey.  So you are saying everyone from NY is like Trump?

Come on.

I don't recall a single mayor from NY who was like this.

Perhaps I can say it another way.   He is up now.  But no one stays up for ever.  Just wait his turn.

And by the way.  Many New Yorkers are assholes.  Everyone knows this.

I want a leader.  Not an asshole.  That said I would still vote for him at this time.

[ppulatie]

I said that all I have met are like Trump.  They are feisty and fight back.

Of course, I "could" say that all New Jersey people are like Christie.......lol.  Or Joe Piscopo.......

[ccp]

Upstate New Yorkers are quite friendly and nice.  More like Midwesterners.  Like Doug.
Downstate New Yorkers are rulers of the world.

As for us from New Jersey well what can I say.

 

[Crafty_Dog]

Q: How many New Yorkers does it take to change a light bulb?

A:  None of your fg business.

Speaking as a born and raised New Yorker, I think it a fair point to attribute part of Trump's way to his being a New Yorker.  New York is a different , , , ecosystem of humanity 

[G M]

Q: How many New Yorkers does it take to change a light bulb?

A:  None of your fg business.

Speaking as a born and raised New Yorker, I think it a fair point to attribute part of Trump's way to his being a New Yorker.  New York is a different , , , ecosystem of humanity 

In the northeast, fcuk is a helping verb.

[ppulatie]

So that is why CD barks with an attitude.

Jindal came out tonight and said that Trump looked like he had a squirrel on his head. Waiting for the Trump Take Down.

[Crafty_Dog]

I thought it a good move for Jindal.   He was dead in the water so why not take a chance in the run up to the second debate?  We'll see how it plays out.

[ppulatie]

Here is the question to ask.......

Why are Gilmore, Jindal, Perry, Graham, Pataki, Christie, Santorum and Kasich still in the race? None of them have more than 2%, and most at 0 or 1%. They have no potential to win.

According to many, this is a part of the GOPe strategy. Split the vote so that Bush can win with no more than 25% support himself. If not for Trump, this would work.

Now why would Rubio continue to run? He is dropping like flies himself. He does not have the luxury of running for Senator at the same time like Paul does?  IOW, what is the payoff to Rubio when he loses and is no longer in the Senate?

[DougMacG]

Here is the question to ask.......

Why are Gilmore, Jindal, Perry, Graham, Pataki, Christie, Santorum and Kasich still in the race? None of them have more than 2%, and most at 0 or 1%. They have no potential to win.

According to many, this is a part of the GOPe strategy. Split the vote so that Bush can win with no more than 25% support himself. If not for Trump, this would work.

Now why would Rubio continue to run? He is dropping like flies himself. He does not have the luxury of running for Senator at the same time like Paul does?  IOW, what is the payoff to Rubio when he loses and is no longer in the Senate?

No.  This looks like split the vote so Trump can win.  There is no conspiracy as to why so many good candidates want to be President IMHO.

Pataki sounded sharp on foreign policy.  Would make a better Pres than any of the Dems.  But I don't know why he's running.  Perry had the best governing record, but didn't cut it in the national campaign.  Graham is irrelevant.  Santorum also missed his chance.  I don't like Christie, kind of Trump-like, without the media skills.  Jindal is a good man; isn't going to catch on.  Kasich has amazing experience, but not my cup of tea.

I like Rubio.  He put it all on the line for this.  On his only bad issue - immigration, he would likely accomplish as much as Trump, secure the border and send back the criminals.  He has crossover appeal without caving on principles.  He understands freedom, a word Trump hasn't used yet.  He isn't establishment; he beat the establishment to get there and is running against it now.  He stepped in it over abortion and I don't know why or where that leads.  The word about the Thursday vote came from Rubio canceling an event here at the Minneapolis Club for a vote that didn't happen in the Senate.  His numbers are down even though most gave him the win in the last debate.  Hard to get traction when Mitch McConnell won't let you leave Washington and talk to voters and contributors.  He already gave up that Senate seat.  He can run for Governor or serve in the cabinet if he loses, plus he was everyone's VP choice.

Trump has poll numbers and his opponents have poll number envy.  Like Clintons, Obama, Biden, he also seems to survive every mis-step. The other candidates need to take down Trump without attacking his supporters.  Whoever wins has to unite all the factions plus pull from voters outside the party.  Which ones are keeping that all in mind now?

The race they say starts after Labor Day.  The first full week after Labor Day is next week.  It's all going to happen fast, but it hasn't barely started yet.

Your friend Hugh Hewitt is preparing a good foreign policy question for Mr. Trump in the debate next Wednesday.  How about if the frontrunner prepares for the test instead of just sharpening the personal insults?  Which method did they teach at the Wharton School he likes to mention?  Like the Bushes, did he just get in because of a rich Daddy?  His school records are buried next to Obama's:  http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-wharton/

[ppulatie]

Conservative Treehouse has written a series of articles about how the GOPe has stacked the deck for Bush. The reason for the many candidates is that the GOPe understands that Bush is not welcome, so if they can split the vote of the anti Bush crowd, Bush can get nominated with the support that he had before Trump entered.

If the GOPe continues the attack against Trump and nominate Bush or Rubio, the Dems win. We will stay home and not vote except perhaps for Cruz and maybe Carson, but Carson is more liberal as will be shown if he gets in the lead and knocks off Trump.

[ccp]

PP,
I love the spirited debate on the board.

You said: "The "hand on the button" argument was brought out against Goldwater, Reagan, and so many others. Nothing happened"

Well something did happen.  Goldwater lost big time.   And part of the reason was his suggestion of using nuclear weapons in Vietnam.

My father voted for Johnson.  Many years ago I asked him why since he was mostly voting Republican.  His answer:

Goldwater would use nuclear bombs in Vietnam and I thought that was crazy.

I am sure many others felt the same way.

As for Reagan lets make one thing clear.  Trump is NO Ronald Reagan.  Not even close.

[ppulatie]

Goldwater also lost due to the Kennedy assassination. There was a sense of "Camelot" that would continue with Johnson. (Thanks to Theodore White for the concept of Camelot. A few days after the JFK funeral, White asked in an interview with Jackie, how she would like the time of JFK to be remembered. She remarked that Camelot was his favorite movie or play, can't remember, but that was how she would like it to go down....as Camelot. So, it became Camelot.) So it was almost the Goldwater loss being just as likely as Ford losing after Watergate.

No, Trump is no Reagan, but who cares if he can destroy the GOPe.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/11/tickets-sold-out-for-trump-dallas-rally-team-rombush-prepares-gope-death-star/


Now, from Conservative Treehouse, to support my claims that the GOPe is going after Trump:

Tickets Sold Out For Trump Dallas Rally – Team RomBush Prepares GOPe Death Star…
Posted on September 11, 2015   by sundance

Deep inside the bowels of the GOPe machine, the Death Star formerly controlled by Romney – now Bush, the storm troopers are working diligently to charge the Vorlon Ray and prepare to eliminate Planet Trump.

[…]  an army of former aides and advisers from Romney’s long political career — are arrayed among a host of Republican presidential campaigns. But, through no concerted effort, they are curiously aligned once again in common cause, a stem-to-stern effort that has united old comrades even as they nominally play for different teams: stopping Donald Trump.

[…]  “It would be ironic if it wasn’t like every single person in the political wing who can stare more than five seconds into the future wasn’t mortified or petrified at the prospect of Trump being the nominee,” said Florida-based GOP strategist Rick Wilson who called a Trump nomination “an existential threat” to the party.

[…]  Trump is, in a sense, the anti-Mitt. And he is leading, by no small margin, the would-be heirs to Romney’s throne as sovereign of the party’s moderate, establishment, country-club wing.

[…]  Jeb Bush appears to have garnered the most former Romney hands, including longtime advisers Beth Myers and Peter Flaherty; his top 2012 New Hampshire and Iowa strategists Rich Killion and David Kochel; and Mike Murphy, a veteran GOP consultant with longstanding ties to both Romney and Bush who is leading a super PAC backing Bush. His campaign manager, Danny Diaz, was a senior adviser to Romney in 2012.

[…]  Henry Barbour, a Mississippi-based GOP strategist who helped write the party’s post-mortem on the 2012 campaign, pointed to an interview Trump gave last week with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt

[…]  “Romney’s the one candidate who, if he was on the stage with Donald, he would bulldoze him,” said Scott Reed, senior political strategist at the US Chamber of Commerce

[…]  “Not only would Donald Trump not win the White House next year, he’s also doing a great deal of harm to the Republican Party”

[…] “I think you’re going to see more concerted efforts against him in the future,” said Rick Wilson, the Florida-based strategist. “A very broad and decentralized movement coming from a surprisingly diverse set of different buckets of Republican voters and communities” is, he said, beginning to mobilize financial efforts to take out Trump. (link)

Meanwhile the Rebel Alliance is organizing, coordinating, rallying and preparing to mount the assault….

[…]  Well, there are no tickets left for the Republican presidential front-runner’s rally at the American Airlines Center. So it’s certain that thousands of North Texans will jam into the place to hear Trump’s stump speech. The AAC holds about 20,000, but it’s unclear if that number of tickets were distributed. (link)

[DougMacG]

"Who could vote for that face", Trump of Carly Fiorina.

"Bleeding out of her wherever"*@, Trump describing Megyn Kelly.

Ungallant.  James Lilaks describing Trump's comment of Fiorina.
   - lacking in courtesy or chivalry, (rude).

Indecorous.  From the movie Imitation Game, applies here.
   -    improper, unseemly, unbecoming, undignified, indelicate,, ungentlemanly.

Words never used to describe Pres. Reagan.  Give the megaphone and podium to someone else.

Meanwhile, Dallas event 'sold out' for Trump.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/253389-no-tickets-left-for-trumps-dallas-rally

[ccp]

BJ Clinton dumbed down the Office of the Presidency with lie after lie, with sleeze after sleeze. 

The really big concern I have about Trump is he could dump it down more if he were to win.   What kind of a role model does he offer our children?   Our culture is so degraded as it is.

Yet as Doug points out he soars in the polls.  And as Geraldo points we are NOT looking for humility.

We are looking for a warrior.   Someone who will stand up to the *F*ing left and shove PC back down their throats.  He does this like no other.  (If he keeps it up).

[ppulatie]

My key points for voting:

1. Immigration and Wall

2. No GOPe candidate

3. Stop the McConnell/Boehner wimp out alliance.

[Crafty_Dog]

Trump was on Jimmy Fallon last night.  No substance, but a good lighted-hearted interaction.

[ppulatie]

https://youtu.be/SoZQfoXhbc0

Ya don't like this............"Trump and Give Me 20"!!!

[DougMacG]

Club for Growth is hardly R. establishment, just one of the anti-establishment forces competing to move and change 'the establishment' - in a pro-freedom, pro-growth direction sympathetic with some of us here.  Many of these claims against Trump are old and they ignore pp's points made in Trump 2012 book.  Nonetheless, all over the map is no path to approach leadership of the free world, IMHO.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/a-word-from-the-club-for-growth.php  Excerpting from a Club for Growth letter to members:

The Club believes that Donald is the worst Republican candidate on economic issues – plain and simple.

Not only has Trump been all over the map on some of the Club’s key issues – but he has taken several positions that are downright horrendous!

Trump came out for socialized medicine that was to the left of Obamacare, and he still thinks it works.

Trump proposed the largest tax increase in U.S. history. That’s not easy to do, but Trump did.

Trump not only supported eminent domain to take people’s private property so developers could use it for casinos and amusement parks, he’s tried to do it himself!

Trump jumped on board with Obama’s tax-the-rich mantra, dismissing a flat tax because he wants rates that “graduate upward.” Note to Donald: that’s the system we have in place.

Trump doesn’t just saber-rattle about trade wars, he wants to take up the sword and rush the U.S. into massive trade wars with huge tariffs that would be a devastating tax on American businesses and consumers.

[ppulatie]

Is it honest for Club for Growth to present the old positions and not reveal the new positions?

CFG is raising money for:

Jeb
Rubio
Walker
Cruz
Paul

CFG is seeking donations for anti-Trump ads.

CFG sent Trump a letter asking for a $1,000,000 contribution.

How does one reconcile all of this with the CFG?

[DougMacG]

"Is it honest for Club for Growth to present the old positions and not reveal the new positions?"   - Fair point, I mentioned it too.  Still it shows lack of consistency and convictions - on ALL topics.

They also didn't mentioned the birther nonsense.  He was born to a mother from Kansas.  What was that all about?  Trump was the leader of the movement and then dropped it.

"CFG is raising money for:
Jeb
Rubio
Walker
Cruz
Paul"

   - True.  Candidates they think are pursuing their agenda.

CFG is seeking donations for anti-Trump ads.

   - True.  Candidate they think is not pursuing their agenda.

"CFG sent Trump a letter asking for a $1,000,000 contribution."

   - Good idea.  I should too. )  Why didn't he support them (prior to running), different agenda(?), or did he?

[ppulatie]

The Birther Movement was not started by Trump. It was started by Hillary in 2008,  trying to put the pressure on Obama.

Trump wanted to use the birther argument to 1) get the birth certificate released; 2) then get transcripts etc that stated Obama claimed he was of foreign birth, and then challenge his credibility. Did not work.

If Rubio and Jeb are pursuing the CFG agenda, then it makes me worry about them even more. 

Trump did not give them money. He has not explained why. 

The CFG still works through traditional GOPe politics. Though MacIntosh does blame Boehner and McConnell for the rise of Trump, if CFG was so strong, could they have not otherwise forced them to act differently?

Also, CFG puts out "generic" statements like immigration reform, etc, but they never go into depth on what they want. In fact, there is talk that their positions are like Jeb and Rubio.

I trust the CFG like I trust any other group....and expect the knife in the back at any moment.

[DougMacG]

One followup point on Trump's old economic positions, socialized medicine, wealth tax, private takings, liberal judges, big spending, economic growth through trillion dollar government stimulus, etc. versus his new positions.  He told us he would apologize if he was ever wrong and hasn't, so all old positions stand - by his own math.

Trump gave big money to elect the Pelosi Reid congress.  He did it to "ease the gridlock".  Good for him, as Elizabeth Warren might say.  No apology means he wasn't wrong about that, according to him.  Fair enough, but I wouldn't forgive him if he did apologize.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/28/trump-i-gave-money-to-pelosi-reid-because-im-a-business/
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/02/05/lkl.donald.trump/index.html?iref=24hours
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/that-time-donald-trump-praised-the-stimulus-package-on-fox-n#.jt2Axn37k

[ppulatie]

Doug,

Karl Rove needs your contact number. He wants to bring you aboard to attack Trump! 

[ppulatie]

Here is a real Donald Trump/Wall Street Journal interview. None of the media garbage. Just serious talk.  The interviewer is a real professional and should moderate debates.

Well worth the look.

https://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EU